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From: Aaron Bauman <bman@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [pre-glep] Security Project Structure
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:30:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181204223059.GN16376@monkey> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21194272-4039-e473-8f57-426021fb24b7@gentoo.org>

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On Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 05:05:55PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/4/18 4:05 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> > 
> > I personally don't agree with part of this section; security is
> > relative, and if it is stated to not be supported there are no security
> > assumptions. If anything the removal of these arches as security
> > supported demonstrates an active decisions not to support them, and
> > signals to users of these arches that they can't depend on security
> > information from Gentoo. Stable generally means a stable tree of
> > dependencies, without security assumptions, if this is e.g used in a
> > closed lab that likely doesn't impact much.
> > 
> 
> This is technically correct, but: how many users even know what a 
> security-supported arch is? I would guess zero, to a decimal point or 
> two. Where would I encounter that information in my daily life?
> 
> If I pick up any software system that's run by professionals and that 
> has a dedicated security team, my out-of-the-box assumption is that 
> there aren't any known, glaring, and totally fixable security 
> vulnerabilities being quietly handed to me.
> 
> Having a stable arch that isn't security-supported is a meta-fail... we 
> have a system that fails open by giving people something that looks like 
> it should be safe and then (when it bites them) saying "but you didn't 
> read the fine print!" It should be the other way around: they should 
> have to read the fine print before they can use those arches.
> 

+1

Wonderfully put and I couldn't agree more!

-- 
Cheers,
Aaron

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-04 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-04 20:55 [gentoo-project] [pre-glep] Security Project Structure Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-12-04 21:05 ` [gentoo-project] " Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-12-04 22:05   ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-12-04 22:17     ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-12-04 22:23       ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-12-04 22:35       ` Aaron Bauman
2018-12-04 22:30     ` Aaron Bauman [this message]
2018-12-05  9:12       ` M. J. Everitt
2018-12-05  2:36     ` Christopher Díaz Riveros
2018-12-05  3:46     ` Virgil Dupras
2018-12-05 15:02       ` Mikle Kolyada
2018-12-06 22:41   ` Alec Warner

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