From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-project+bounces-8148-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2EF8138334 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B024E0930; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD5A0E092F for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from katipo2.lan (unknown [203.86.205.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kentnl) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EDE5335C07 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 19:08:58 +1200 From: Kent Fredric <kentnl@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] GLEP 76: Copyright Policy [v4] Message-ID: <20180929185237.3d6596ac@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_kTAAxmvW8LSLa0qaBe=hUaM-5no1oUASqNV8dyFJh2mg@mail.gmail.com> References: <23325.35685.793702.267278@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <23337.15822.698153.812236@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <w6gwos6o993.fsf@kph.uni-mainz.de> <w6g1s9g6oz5.fsf_-_@kph.uni-mainz.de> <a7e24154-4eda-da9f-91d9-0d5ecde13d8d@gentoo.org> <CAGfcS_nO6zrPA5qMTZxAaoorwdGzuy6TheFvWwxMP988GeR0qg@mail.gmail.com> <4683a4e7-c752-8735-4bcf-1ee7cb4837f9@gentoo.org> <CAGfcS_kTAAxmvW8LSLa0qaBe=hUaM-5no1oUASqNV8dyFJh2mg@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/7jQ_Kq9+.B_K.Vs0x3f.8TM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 9ace91b1-c9a9-405a-9e26-34e85eaf729f X-Archives-Hash: be3502e81afee21644a032640b3c4a91 --Sig_/7jQ_Kq9+.B_K.Vs0x3f.8TM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:13:30 -0400 Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote: > I think there are other arguments to be made against anonymity. Pseudonymity is hardly anything like anonymity. Creating a pseudonym requires much work, and its a constructed "persona" that is a public representation of your natural person. Just like a real person, a pseudonym requires establishing networks of trust between peers. And you don't need to know my physical identity in order for me to prove, when you meet me, that my physical identity is the owner of the pseudonym. If pseudonymity is forbidden, significant contributors of opensource projects would have to cease existing, among, but not limited to: _why of Ruby ( who disappeared entirely from opensource when people started leaking his true name ) Chromatic ( The author of the Modern Perl book, who has respectable involvement in both Perl5 and Perl6 ) Its all good to talk about "openness", but forbidding pseudonymity on this basis is nearly forbidding privacy, because you're tempting that whole "why do you need privacy if you've got nothing to hide" mentality. Lets say for example you have a job, and your employer is a dick who doesn't understand how software works, and will make your life unduely miserable if they find you out in the real world contributing to opensource in your free time, despite having no legal right to persecute you as such. You're not doing anything untoward, but your employer's braindead mentality conspires with this policies braindead mentality to forbid you from contributing for no good reason. Your options become "quit your job" or "quit contributing". And you're not actually achieving any real "openness" as a result of this insanity, you're just making the lives of people who have legitimate grounds for pseudonymity, harder. And have people forgotten 'doxxing' is a thing? And in some cases having your real identity out there in the real world simply serves as a vector for undue harassment? Even if everything you do is above board, that doesn't stop busy-bodies deciding you're conflicting with their distorted sense of morality and using that as grounds to persecute you. Say for example you present opinions in favour of something that is not politically popular where you live ( say you're a gay rights activist, but live in russia ). You're known by the same pseudonym all over opensource, but your real name is not published. And then, this policy comes around, and you have a choice: either keep using a pseudonym, or tempt associating that pseudonym with your real self, which potentially invites significant negative social consequences. I don't think these sorts of "expose yourself to the elements for all to attack" behaviours are something Gentoo should be encouraging under the banner of openness. --Sig_/7jQ_Kq9+.B_K.Vs0x3f.8TM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEgdrME8Lrmai3DXYJda6SGagVg7UFAluvJRcACgkQda6SGagV g7VL7A//UficyA4O7pMJpYWPe+rLqCcS+u/LbQeFywJXnTxRyp6YJeIF1fKOZSTE YSMF6vUhFZKDsxuXj9y3c+0dpQLUOS4gGJx9UkSVwOZpfmikfe6ojt1YKKlhwK9i AxTzDaDQSFNoZyA7gMBYFruiQNeoLqnRev0JUKo912B82ovRKbfRvGNhvkuWRLdc 0DxOu6xNne7MI87pe+RfcFcp0lANJUUsnf3EaFOgpyWe+XiMMlBg61EqI0mbjEZj 3IFAtmq//ZhqKHj+auPLM7esy740XnaHhYjsHpmgoZerg1gqH4oYRdaZNIAj4mLm T7sBIklJSCENYmnJD9x0uSa+hom8pKmd69B5RDrW8qDR++pX3xaT6ejTl9X8BLuk k/YB7Wj1Ss0ZUMPnjY/0nNySAXdQvV5Qj7aliT2iKGdKi8BAi4IFhPtepw6Un322 hl0D1Z0gOtCgwfeGn88PNr8NvTCPwwOBoxWwt0vJ+g/2CyeZ+iCgqllWEGy5tHCd 3HkQkOiNUzB7ZRMbonqU8mb1eX+96CVT0roUTy+kK064t9rtH8ypxkwZv5EGG2TK NGGTKTgHzQ4/lHKuFL/OPM4qoqFtMaiSOFJbia1cT+SXqLz5ZP0zTBAzniu7e1wu WPmKcWCSnLSCq4Lj1XEM/bGZWUlJ9W5UWHaMKp38QQ/bClqDe9M= =c7oE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/7jQ_Kq9+.B_K.Vs0x3f.8TM--