From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB39E138334 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93A4BE083E; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F7F2E082B for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id o9-v6so15599781qtp.3 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=IAErfHITYQvjEO3BLz9ZHWYu6NQePhTvUR6p74yAsIQ=; b=HOSGy9xrxeyC1YqMTTlQ84JaHQ4XXh0z4mxVBO4BtZqzzGj32cPgcK//IfNsWo87u/ avfebo69LfUHqe4UEENnEtANOkWmAIRdAWu5iM7/0mie+AzHbagPoqSSN44vQ6CmDT9i ImAaptB76kwXfslWXMT9qxZPhdCNbJuSXli9D1JvnR/HI2gMeatCQy/94OCruBynLlSw Z8R2VH/XE3zGk6cqPuy2IcZPg4hyip2U4AJ70WQii6RbaXs4eI1t7CuoaGCWx2vxl618 Yx4/+jZqYoVpeRD+qfNo601Xfu3/vGbO1CjnjNuMr1swPHFu/tyEnvyAKBMseVO7XJ12 WRmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=IAErfHITYQvjEO3BLz9ZHWYu6NQePhTvUR6p74yAsIQ=; b=lXw4HY6TwtugMsO3S3At7dyJGPpvqjGvXnBqsatmTIEMsx7MUsgTmi95VM+6vP84oj vlVbUxyxWkBlGr8kLEb8ctjS+owIUH2ARPaE7UqG+lOHiSSHAbdD4I5ocUsj3tetJ/hX +kTEUpJniZXEL8oo7wB5orbQw8dXBq0Rsw6M7tCKsWmJrnjcvupTpec9GsCn8Rjue6kw cA4/83xH0tV19Ujm4m1DfuG+8nP5Y+Og+L3o/Fm4bEV79RNdwfhEsE5DUQhlVK1C0e46 0gchi6TWiVbzHxW1A/5/gKo/0KGTm3uLJwX+1axkqESeHVNpm7r1cNi2fgCIjZMH4U07 Yp4g== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3HicyqCSVbWdDID55eJNgR/PxmqBvQqC/rAC3LlwRZpda9Z3bb MvpGSFDudtvUEuAMTYly70cXWw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKLUIRfdMJ043bAJAk4qQUpz3GjbFFEAGg1OP5bB6DJMQrowEZ4smsGBxqzbpGL86LLBiwbYw== X-Received: by 2002:aed:3c42:: with SMTP id u2-v6mr11672085qte.198.1529338171268; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whubbs1.gaikai.biz ([100.42.103.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p51-v6sm12768042qtc.43.2018.06.18.09.09.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 18 Jun 2018 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: (nullmailer pid 16490 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:09:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:09:28 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: rich0@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 Message-ID: <20180618160928.GA16460@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, rich0@gentoo.org References: <5fd69b7e-abf6-dfef-afe7-39402b8b0c68@iee.org> <20180617172604.GA6560@linux1.home> <47901881-4bac-6638-d702-bfb42cfe32c4@iee.org> <20180617203438.GA9809@linux1.home> <20180618153304.GA16212@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-Archives-Salt: b00499dc-d44e-4669-9b50-2498c9f576f2 X-Archives-Hash: 44acc4a865d2bfa542f2af1a1174e805 --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:42:38AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:33 AM William Hubbs wrot= e: > > > > What I meant to say makes no sense was your commentary above, which got > > deleted from this some how, about selection bias. That seems to be true > > for any elected position -- you have people running for the position who > > are interested in having the job. :-) > > >=20 > I don't see the disagreement here. You seem to agree there is > selection bias, and are just extending it even further. >=20 > I agree with that. Asking the Council whether we need a Council makes > as much sense as asking the Trustees whether we need a Foundation. But what you are saying is based on the idea that I said we should defer this decision to the trustees, which I never said. All I'm advocating for is a change of tone in the dialog. It seems to be mostly demands and accusations, and that is what I would like to see changed. 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