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[66.68.34.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b4-v6sm5662850otf.79.2018.06.17.10.26.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: (nullmailer pid 6803 invoked by uid 1000); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:26:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 12:26:04 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 Message-ID: <20180617172604.GA6560@linux1.home> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180616202634.GA29371@linux1.home> <1935290.nWKu69nTtg@pinacolada> <20180616232951.GA32738@linux1.home> <20180617014233.GA1567@linux1.home> <7aff3272-74c2-c5ed-92d8-fb1b4baa1eba@iee.org> <5fd69b7e-abf6-dfef-afe7-39402b8b0c68@iee.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5fd69b7e-abf6-dfef-afe7-39402b8b0c68@iee.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-Archives-Salt: 55610a6d-5fee-4cd8-b8cb-4f5cc075e716 X-Archives-Hash: c68239ed08947f634b311fca0e5eaf76 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 03:50:45AM +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 17/06/18 03:43, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:34 PM M. J. Everitt wr= ote: > >> My synopsis from the peanut gallery, is that everyone wants the power, > >> with none of the responsibility that conventionally comes with it. > > The responsibility to run a non-profit corporation is purely > > self-imposed. Plenty of FOSS projects manage to govern themselves > > without requiring the people making the final decisions to file tax > > returns. > > > That liability was inherited, not actively chosen by *any* of the devs > of the last decade, or so. To change it, still requires that situation > be resolved .. whatever path is chosen .. >=20 > In some ways, winding up Gentoo Foundation, Inc. and starting again with > a 501(c)3 would be a better way forward, but since I don't know the > ins-and-outs of US organisations, I'm gonna stay outta the why's and > wherefores. >=20 > Suffice to say, TL;DR we gotta deal with the situation(s) we find > ourselves in today, not bikeshed what we would have done differently, or > who we can blame .. as that achieves nothing, and is wasted effort that > could be better spent elsewhere. Like fixing the problem .. Well said. I'm not an expert on the business side at all. My opinion though is we should give the trustees time to catch up (I trust that robbat2 will be able to do this). Once that happens, I think it is better to work with them to choose the future path since they own the Gentoo trademark, name, logo etc [1]. The only thing I'm really advocating is, as the leadership of the organization, we really should look for a way to resolve the situation without all of the arguing and fighting we are doing currently. All that does is create discord. William [1] https://www.gentoo.org/inside-gentoo/foundation/name-logo-guidelines.html --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTVeuxEZo4uUHOkQAluVBb0MMRlOAUCWyaZpAAKCRBuVBb0MMRl OGivAKCH3nxaG7MXleSNkUu5j/WNBQh3WACfW3031lqs9JFsCzMCOklphT0Uqxc= =pzb+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE--