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[66.68.34.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t4-v6sm12332323otd.40.2018.06.16.17.03.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 17:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: (nullmailer pid 822 invoked by uid 1000); Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:03:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:03:25 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 Message-ID: <20180617000325.GB32738@linux1.home> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180616202634.GA29371@linux1.home> <1529181471.1994.13.camel@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1529181471.1994.13.camel@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-Archives-Salt: dcb4ee78-95e8-41bb-a7d4-6191365be2c1 X-Archives-Hash: c39c96843a2d21c62884a5b2a4eaf45d --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:37:51PM +0200, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > W dniu sob, 16.06.2018 o godzinie 15=E2=88=B626=E2=80=89-0500, u=C5=BCytk= ownik William Hubbs > napisa=C5=82: > > I believe the council and trustees should be working as a team to lead > > Gentoo. We serve different functions, so there is room for both groups. > > We have been adversarial lately and I don't think this is good. As a > > council member, I will work to improve this situation. >=20 > How are you planning to achieve this goal? The main thing that is important to me is to change the tone of the discussion. Instead of accusations, the discussion should be about finding what we agree on and trying to resolve, in a positive way for as many people as possible, what we don't agree on. > > I feel that we need better code of conduct enforcement and possibly a > > more clear code of conduct. I will work with the council and the > > Community Relations team to make this happen. >=20 > Again, how? There are several examples of CoC's out there that we could look at and pattern ours after. I would start there. > > The council should be asked to make a decision on an issue only when > > the issue cannot be settled by the community itself. Innovations should > > come from the developers, and the council should do what it can to > > support these innovations. > >=20 > > When the council is asked to make a decision, it should be fully > > informed about both sides of the issue before it votes. On the other > > hand, the council should not block progress by taking an extremely long > > time to make a decision. >=20 > What criteria should the Council consider when making a decision? This is going to be different based on whatever the current decision is. My main concern is, we aren't in a vaccuum, so we have to balance what we do with what the rest of the Linux ecosystem does. The classic example, in my mind, of an ill-informed council decision was the separate /usr decision in 2012. The intent of that decision was to try to force us to support setups with separate /usr that did not use an initramfs. It was overturned eventually, but the council should have never attempted to mandate this in the first place, since no other distros have done this. >=20 > > If anyone has any questions about anything I have said here, please feel > > free to ask in this thread. > >=20 >=20 > During the last term, you have suggested that if an individual serving > simultaneously on the Council and QA, then we're dealing with a conflict > of interest. Are you going to pursue that thread? I'm glad you brought this up. I need to look back at my original post, but I don't think I used the phrase "conflict of interest", but yes I still would like to see this come to a vote. It would not be a council vote, since it is glep 39 material, but a full developer vote. There was support for it on the thread, and I have been contacted by another dev who supports it. I do think it would be worth a vote to find out what the developers think, and I would support whatever was decided. William >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >=20 >=20 --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTVeuxEZo4uUHOkQAluVBb0MMRlOAUCWyWlRAAKCRBuVBb0MMRl ODigAJ9RQl8gCVB+tZMv38L2tmblfF2BDQCfQM9UqVL8CU4hGQP4+IwsPturYL4= =9/h7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS--