From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C37FA138334 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1A05E092C; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7518DE0923; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:3::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: prometheanfire) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62AFA335C8B; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:51:50 -0500 From: Matthew Thode To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: SPI as an alternate foundation Message-ID: <20180610195150.tr62wyv3bd5vno3i@gentoo.org> References: <5810916.EmyZUXBcj5@pinacolada> <5384311.EBcQyDrdbO@pinacolada> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="auqumeqmivzcywtc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5384311.EBcQyDrdbO@pinacolada> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180512 X-Archives-Salt: 9199b4b7-0980-4410-a07d-566a3b89e983 X-Archives-Hash: c68787feacd80a9ca5b4a5d946ea3a77 --auqumeqmivzcywtc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The foundation was not consulted on this. As this concerns the foundation and it's stewardship of the Gentoo Distribution I find that concerning. I've also re-subject'd the thread to call it out as a topic. On 18-06-08 20:02:42, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Juni 2018, 19:44:00 CEST schrieb Andreas K. Huettel: > > Dear all, > >=20 > > the Gentoo Council will meet again this sunday, 10 June 2018, 18:00 UTC= on > > the #gentoo-council IRC channel. > >=20 > > Please reply to this e-mail with agenda item proposals. > >=20 >=20 > I would like to put the following proposal on the agenda once more (clari= fied=20 > and expanded): >=20 > The Gentoo council shall directly contact "Software in the Public Interes= t=20 > Inc." (SPI), with the intention of Gentoo becoming a SPI Associated Proje= ct. > The intention is for SPI to become an *additional* service provider of th= e=20 > Gentoo developer community for Accepting Donations, Holding Funds, and Ho= lding=20 > Assets. The SPI project liaison shall be appointed by the Gentoo council. >=20 > No transfer of funds or assets of any kind between SPI and the Gentoo=20 > Foundation is stipulated (it would be the trustees' responsibility anyway= ), so=20 > any (dys)function of the Gentoo Foundation has no impact on this new busi= ness=20 > relationship. Equally, the business relationship with SPI shall have no i= mpact=20 > on the current function of the Gentoo Foundation. Essentially, the propos= al is=20 > that we start with an empty account at SPI. (I'll be happy to make the fi= rst=20 > donation.) >=20 Please stop stating that the Foundation is dysfunctional. You are not helping (either in real terms in working with the foundation or in promoting a divide between the two groups). I'd think that the lead of comrel wouldn't want to spread the hate. I'm not sure how you can say there'd be no transfer of anything when you are trying to represent the Gentoo Distribution in a business decision. We would be required to take action against any use of the Gentoo Name that does not follow the 'Gentoo name and logo usage guidelines'. >=20 > SPI does not require exclusivity; the company explicitly allows that a pr= oject=20 > is also sponsored by further parties. As long as SPI does not publicly=20 > represent Gentoo, there is no conflict regarding trademarks. Most SPI=20 > associated projects are unincorporated associations of individuals, as is= the=20 > Gentoo developer community electing the Gentoo Council. >=20 This is good, though I wonder who the donations are going to (the name is important). > As additional bonus, we will be gaining that donations to SPI are tax- > deductible both in the US and in the EU. >=20 > The precise procedure for appointing the project liaison is up to debate;= a=20 > draft proposal can be found below. > =3D=3D > a) The project liaison is a Gentoo developer appointed by the Gentoo coun= cil, > and bound to follow its instructions.=20 > b) Appointment of the project liaison is by vote of the majority of counc= il > members (i.e. >=3D4 votes). The only way to unseat the project liaison is= to=20 > appoint a different project liaison by vote. I'd much rather this be a full vote by the developers, or to have something like a super-majority be needed to appoint someone to this important position. > c) Officers and trustees of the Gentoo Foundation are not eligible for > project liaison.=20 Please give details as to why this is NEEDED. This would further drain the manpower of the foundation by removing those capable of helping it. > d) The restriction of c) can be lifted permanently by Gentoo council majo= rity > decision only after the council, the Gentoo Foundation trustees, and the = board > of the financial sponsor organization have come into agreement that > * the financial situation of the Gentoo Foundation has been sufficiently > clarified,=20 I do not know why you require 100% of those 'voting' here to vote the same way is setting it up for failure. It also allows for any of the three parties to act against the best interests of the whole by voting no (they all have veto power). Two out of three voting yes would work better. > * any outstanding taxes have been determined and paid, and=20 > * any further outstanding relevant business of the Gentoo Foundation, i.e= =2E,=20 > with the IRS, has been concluded. What is the reasoning behind both of these requirements (I agree that they need to be done, but I wonder what they have to do with anything here). --=20 Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) --auqumeqmivzcywtc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEExFR3cOKGRpGbcMHPZKN76q4ZpOgFAlsdgVUACgkQZKN76q4Z pOjX7g//a0K757N/+priJdYjfYWbum8appFnuHPRqD3BGTYGYhV0kshjWtcWHtPd cpGmpliDimAIyOs3qleKtF1E4TKmFI7wDtyTHSQw5SsYL4zi47VWxdggq2yimAyM W+B4KUHFrkOi0L71Kl5LpdJY+Hg061d6H66NFjg43Ed0X4Re6qPeVCtbfWmhJ/ci vujS4/lB2/RxKJedNR5xj77I7ItK1mjgFfZlykI9+LepnzX4/IJpjzGcOhlylsWe UOwdi4SCNabK8C6/oJGNAsKF9R1RGvpUGn0mXxSlIUp9PaAb8fYTYnjJPJw/Ce4W ZfQXEMncdyahfQ/xVsCGZuio3ZZnwukkB23dnISl2WMgr4gcwLR7aBIQmggZJfyk ayWat48dAaxVwBJ2l7cRlrNnSHVrVwmVY+bMR0Zw+2GFrH6u5qW8GAzyf3vMg/uh KWexNRwq5E5oxoaONtEhAhiv2SLVA7f+X8HTGDxUAw0vWumLzwV/7HqjgQwSgJLE xBpl7Hk5WA+ws0iHKF8nk5q95dWmKVKp6ZYVHB3Oc39biNiGvAcNkG5jC4/kYKa8 GAAhvLOoPl54ut6AOHE7HsTFWcPM7zCDxWuAaEMV6UQ6o2dlmjxCUeThq6Y22dPs rkQq8P49FgIqyjhQ7p5p2fwsHYPpMUbUR2THSjnkCAQGJg0TQJg= =Ewfk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --auqumeqmivzcywtc--