From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 741BF1382C5 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C0C1E0A6E; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B3A9E0A5E for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:3::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: prometheanfire) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCB73335C43 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 10:52:04 -0500 From: Matthew Thode To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Meeting agenda - Council meeting 2018-04-08 Message-ID: <20180409155204.di2ja5rrtw7ldbtq@gentoo.org> References: <871sfxkqo1.fsf@gentoo.org> <4471210.kPAcSuklUs@pinacolada> <20180406222751.gphddyqtjt34odoc@gentoo.org> <1523083179.1936.3.camel@gentoo.org> <1523287744.873.1.camel@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qcgycrfjgwxa62qk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180323 X-Archives-Salt: 4726683e-0ab1-46e2-ab92-e2ddef26c4f7 X-Archives-Hash: 0e37ad48d2ffaa1572af5573f4a0c53d --qcgycrfjgwxa62qk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18-04-09 11:36:11, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > > I would like to apologize for this harmful generalization. Not all > > Trustees in the history of Foundation were incompetent. In particular, > > it is worth noting that Robin H. Johnson has put a significant effort > > in improving the tax situation, and Daniel Campbell had his contribution > > too. > > >=20 > Honestly, I think would be helpful if everybody tries to > de-personalize this discussion. >=20 > I think it makes the most sense to figure out what kind of > meta-structure we want, without regard to the titles individuals are > currently holding. We can always hold an election to re-sort people > (old or new) into the new roles (IMO this should be done if we make > any major changes, precisely because we DON'T want to design roles > with named individuals in mind). >=20 It's with this in mind that I've made my current (and previous) proposals. > I think the question should be what kind of design is sustainable. >=20 > I do think that the skills we have to work with should be fair game in > a discussion. We're mostly programmers/sysadmins/enthusiasts, and > lawyers are pretty rare in the community. I do think that our > metastructure would benefit from emphasizing the skills our community > actually has. We could also hire in skills we don't have, and I don't > have an issue with that, but again in that case we need to be mindful > of our current cash flow. It doesn't make sense to adopt the > metastructure appropriate for a company with a $50M annual budget when > we operate on a small fraction of this. >=20 > However, all of this can be done without smearing those serving in > various roles today. IMO most genuinely are trying to do what they > think is best for the distro, and I doubt most would have been elected > if a lot of people didn't share that sentiment. >=20 My proposal does not preclude moving under an umbrella org (I think it makes it easier actually). --=20 Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) --qcgycrfjgwxa62qk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEExFR3cOKGRpGbcMHPZKN76q4ZpOgFAlrLjCMACgkQZKN76q4Z pOgNaA/+PBtPM+L8aSLu6eZ+06z3zrp5Th0gp/9Z8zs6cYPtY+7mH0P4IAw3Clta lmQRu38OfVIvQOE5eYJIffGa0BQ4U4Eq3W6GJJ0s3OMaT6pMqJklUmcKUkMNvRQP UA3RqGbXYgfu74blzdl9K9hh/C/F6Yl3iQlRlZvT9DLGmr1Yi5Gyujplggwwtx7U tN0SSOZJsa1Byb6vdU4mJDwgkVuNv5htQ3Bb/DoOfBAis5VCRQZyqzRln33K8uJE hri78o2Xn8n1rby4Cxsm9LGnpNQIozIy6s90sLogHJ5jIJaU4VqxGS+GNWd7riS8 YknarUKyKk2lfimz9ZfRlDj5eWeI0RjMgJsZZBSfN8JbThw5tS+wh6xfuzSclz// WKsPHat60AurN9eU64TaGmzuR+OPrNvUGLVhf73t1MCih3Bd2sHiPD0MqhF5Lj3M wutR5BZcfCaXbH453JfPh7fuZZjDgPsluZKVKVuhirC1Tt358GgaUyBTfkd+tW6L wHhFSNMY7Dg710DxI0F8xeTGXr83eSevNoDuypGQPnNq31aDt155ibAfJQNyvgs/ 0GVHD0p5JVBL1iNtQom4A7oX1dfg1bPX3YTJ85/veLi02yCIM8sjt/gXXq+aZdgf R433d9W9AueOz3FMrhJMoU+Lojk0XmCqc/ZdkYdMTVC36PwjCW4= =WEt7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcgycrfjgwxa62qk--