On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 09:38:47PM -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Matthias Maier <tamiko@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > This is a request by two developers (and not by the council). But I
> > would like to answer one of your questions.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr  8, 2018, at 19:11 CDT, zlg <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > To the Council:
> > >
> > > What makes you accountable to this community? Why should we trust or
> > > respect you when you have nothing on the line except a title? What
> > > happens next if these affirmations are made? What's your angle, your
> > > real motivation?
> >
> > The Gentoo Developer community has used GLEP 39 [1] for its
> > self-organization for the last 12 years. Our "real motivation" (speaking
> > as individual developers) is to keep it that way.
> >
> >
> > > How do you trust a Council member when they have nothing to lose by
> > > acting against the community?
> >
> > I fail to see how trying to get an affirmation that the Gentoo
> > Foundation is still on board with GLEP 39 is "acting against the
> > community".
> >
> > We have had a very public case of prometheanfire pushing for dissolving
> > the current metastructure and reorganizing the community under the
> > Foundation. Andreas and I, personally, disagree with that.
> >
> 
> I'm curious what the difference between 'discussing an idea' and 'pushing
> for an idea' is.
> I want a community where we can discuss ideas (even ideas the council or
> you dislike) without it causing a major incident or people getting upset
> about it.
> What would you have people who have these ideas do differently?

(council hat on)

Alec,

Yes, I see this the same way. I, for one, was open to
discussing prometheanfire's idea. The way you do that is you state why
you don't like the idea and go from there to either try to refine it or
drop it.

My opinion is that my fellow council members see his proposal as a power
grab. I don't understand why though, because all it was was a proposal.
There was no attempt to act on it, and it couldn't have been enacted
without a full developer vote in the first place.

William