From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90522139694 for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 09:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7785C21C038; Sat, 13 May 2017 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BA0B21C012 for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from katipo2.lan (unknown [203.86.205.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kentnl) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8307341702 for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 21:26:04 +1200 From: Kent Fredric To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 Message-ID: <20170513212604.2276ee82@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> <20170511184513.3c2997a0@gentp.lnet> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/ryawOD6AB5xfZ0pW2MrhZp="; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d6586053-ce11-434c-aec0-b9d277553ac3 X-Archives-Hash: 47493669bec14ae842e84ca25d60bd6c --Sig_/ryawOD6AB5xfZ0pW2MrhZp= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 May 2017 15:57:52 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > It is a bit of "we will not hide problems" vs "not hiding problems > actually causes those problems." Suicide by social contract? As an alternative approach, how easy is it to rewrite emails to inject footer text? Like a bog standard: Problem with this email? Don't reply and make it worse. Explore the alternatives: http://someurl.gentoo.org/report?ml=3Dgentoo-dev&msgid=3D12345 Where the ml/msgid parts are filled in. That page can contain a list of options, including making a formal complaint, but it can also help document and assist people with avoiding seeing that email in future, including a list of instructions for specific mail clients, pre-filled with tokens from the email identified by the msgid. The idea is to lower the barrier to reporting your disapproval, or lowering the barrier to making it so you don't have to see it any more. We could, in theory, even extend this service to allow subscribers to add gentoo-side filtering, wherein gentoo doesn't block the offending user, but only blocks the relay of matching messages to subscribers who opted out. That way you're not relying on their MUA in any way. And that is far less "orwellian" in concept, but still has the desired effect. Give users the power to do what they want, as opposed to isolating users from everyone because a subset of users didn't like them. --Sig_/ryawOD6AB5xfZ0pW2MrhZp= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEPZazbI/qrFT1o9rn6FQySxNmqCAFAlkW0TkACgkQ6FQySxNm qCAUeg//WCa98TC+QFVaY1mS5lfc2EoYh5Xp/jhS6nFhP5rTo1uiOvn7hIxvKILa e+JbZWUT1+l9hF9IquOCmUHEmRT9TLOjAmobXxWtt9YOC5egVXGSUQ0wA69+SCsx l2KF4UGVyshdd79HlA9NGwLtYYKDSgCTeM1nkJtKrGEcpgkttfQNQ//qPmVdjR65 ToO1+1oHY42hF095PM4jeeIgpYld00+bwy071i36pnAhRxG8U/gTSH4zPCo2A9ZU XE1wQbzNJ5IK/jUMNEDaCtRrl6w0n0g4JORcmZwlqpxubvie1f7y7t8RQZDtQSMQ VeR0TR9FXlOP/WF8z0LIVDswHSZi9OJeR5fIf44RM5r1odf+No6JiG4sfQXeEv0r w+kld7J1cQP+yk+hIHJjRltqGmj0nfJsvA/T4Weu9nPea0Bnqn08paDSSt+rGfsh vajOpB+rWiL1QDE6Nqkxnm5ZaN8ZzH29XrXNfr/htV1oujXMMT6vR83vy98v6CLU 4Jg5tdc0A/XHbLw/f/8o+yeUka5L1Y/5Xcx8udS1fAz5t0/yfgpX1cymBqXL9pO+ EB3FIpipnv/4RPUqvOqOoSun5hqBWcWxtjbbLRd+BYkMid36P7d0wP5OkVUAJf/K ybMXN4z5hUusehdBcbWvg8wPAFBI4bNNAVvnqSwE+eHrZz7azAY= =Ve3h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/ryawOD6AB5xfZ0pW2MrhZp=--