From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65F2A139085 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD426E0D3F; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DE32E0D3A for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from katipo2.lan (unknown [IPv6:2406:e001:1:d01:de0e:a1ff:fea1:6ec4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kentnl) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1704834168E for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:58:25 +1300 From: Kent Fredric To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Rekindling Gentoo News -> Paying for news Message-ID: <20170123025825.08b86fa6@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/.OjdqUHq+VR/5hbNoQjsYU3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: dff203df-440f-4c2b-af50-58515374dff1 X-Archives-Hash: f8264ca075b4e9a686f2551664ae60fa --Sig_/.OjdqUHq+VR/5hbNoQjsYU3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:35:39 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > I think the concept is still sound. Linode used to offer a $100 for=20 > documentation. That was so well received, they had to stop the program du= e to=20 > the backlog. I would not suggest it for documentation etc. But a newslett= er,=20 > why not. I think it would be nice if there was an alternative way to earn newsletter= access via contribution. Because it does seem strange to me to have to pay for a n= ewsletter that describes what you're doing yourself in part. But implementing proof-of-work schemes here is hard and prone to gamificati= on downsides, so I just concede its probably not easy, and leave this question= open to somebody else who thinks they know of a useful way. > If people are spending hours putting together a weekly or monthly news le= tter=20 > simply to inform others. Why not pay them a little for their time? It wi= ll=20 > hopefully ensure people are always there to do that. Could help out stude= nts=20 > and others. It may be worth considering getting volume licensing, ie: advertise to companies to either buy a block of subscriptions themselves which they can = grant access to X number of people. Or alternatively, instead of relying on a user-pays model in entity, have a corporate sponsorship scheme where we give out the newsletter for free, but= a company foots a bill in exchange for some thanks/promotional/unobtrusive advertisin= g. This would of course have strict requirements as which sorts of companies c= ould do this, like they'd have to be using Gentoo in some capacity. And that sponsorship model is well used by quite a few OpenSource things, b= ecause it looks good for the company to be visibly supporting OpenSource. But like, somebody will probably say they hate this idea because its relyin= g on non-free platforms in some capacity for money or something. *shrug* >=20 > The Developer Spotlight was good to help introduce people in the project = to=20 > each other. You may never work with someone but when they are in the spot= light=20 > you gain a bit of insight you may never have had otherwise. Helps everyon= e get=20 > to know each other. Not just the technical things going on in the project. Side note: I hear LWN are looking for writers https://lwn.net/op/AuthorGuid= e.lwn=20 So there's opportunity here for whoever does our newsletter may find themse= lves able to help them out as well, and possibly save some effort in writing for both. Or that could be deemed as a conflict of interest, idk. But I know LWN quote stuff said here all the time, so one of their editors = is already a fan in some regards. Maybe we can convince them to come to the dark side? :P Or maybe we can cut some sort of article federation deal, where we show LWN= our first drafts of the newsletters, and they get first-pick on any articles, a= nd federate them behind their paywall, and then we release those articles with our own = newsletter after the subscription period has passed: https://lwn.net/op/AuthorGuide.lwn # Copyrights and further reproduction > Authors retain the copyrights for their work. > > We ask that you grant LWN exclusive rights to publish your work during th= e LWN > subscription period - currently up to two weeks after publication. > > Thereafter, we retain the right to publish the material, and release it u= nder the > Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0). > > After the subscription period, authors may republish their work however t= hey wish.=20 IDK. 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