From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50967139085 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 638562241B7; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D6ED2241AD for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from katipo2.lan (unknown [IPv6:2406:e001:1:d01:de0e:a1ff:fea1:6ec4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kentnl) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8B1F34165D for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 14:04:11 +1300 From: Kent Fredric To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] RFC: GLEP - Require Projects to report to Council Monthly Message-ID: <20170121140411.43c16700@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: <20170119152345.2482018c@patrickm> References: <20170120111835.6a171002@katipo2.lan> <20170119152345.2482018c@patrickm> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/tdefW9X8A8TLGd=BgXSAXtq"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 185af7b0-ce38-49e7-bc03-ce01ba53fa71 X-Archives-Hash: a268c8d2b23f2988e156467540cb273c --Sig_/tdefW9X8A8TLGd=BgXSAXtq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:24:23 -0800 Patrick McLean wrote: > This is an all volunteer organization, we should refrain from making > any sort of regular "mandatory" actions. Since no one is paid, we can't > have any specific expectations of when people have time to spend on > Gentoo. I would also have someone with limited time spending their time > working on bugs etc rather than writing a monthly report. Gentoo does have some mandatory expectations of developers. But these seem to frequently serve as a barrier to development, and such mandatory controls are typically employed as gate-keepers. I would rather have only as many of these as is absolutely necessary. >=20 > Even at companies, where people are paid to work, engineers are not > generally expected to provide status reports to management. That is > generally the job of a _paid_ project manager or _paid_ manager. I wish that was true, but like, that's an expectation of a *good* company that is well run. But my observation is too few companies meet any definition of "good". --Sig_/tdefW9X8A8TLGd=BgXSAXtq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEPZazbI/qrFT1o9rn6FQySxNmqCAFAliCs5cACgkQ6FQySxNm qCClPhAAuW7c8OqHt5nmViyiSznkUqHzxTiNgy6IDWAdeRXOlO8UOCEpvO8nlIA6 h29AewMu6cpKA1DJs0VvLDuxjomjqS90Fv8VSB8qkl6s9nGutD9l0TFQiDdxK8uT O7MzyGQU9KwUHqf6mlZ2tvB2nYnaIKc9fb3ClV5oYedbWRm2HD4Sy2v/JMRnyt/y Gxd3ncv8nMWF+4NkhlatRqfysix9Y1bmZGN/cA8cdnO/DpUFUWH4JqNFJXMFZEvI chAY6ozZxzhtQodosGs4kiLUd625tH4SmA3neHKCtuNVTdSxg5TOLnKwUaAQM10k bczwu5g8EYHraLqaqs9hyPiVdQx9s774TBtXcWQy8XgxU84LAK91FSsFOqEL+v1+ HQ9XII2CiSdNhPYo8gI22R2ttokkOk5Oz30X594p5PNAl3+dcSkMDPIAwC5xhovt UKzITCAwAAFpOpcjhvwX3IguHrT3KstpqqsqnDpGvYqY3yt9W7nKfW38GiB3zYFc ZXZ7vMpimxr2nAEm1nGmA/ke9NIcife/jSmOgvI6+TTbaEimoeuVlnVVFjEbg0RC ZMjSxdcLlaA4lIEfBce57laG7LK4BAKcNd6pqOS1d7zxT9xJMe/f5GUNVlr2XvPL zxv8jpal12F//xB8fN+0ezjhgfYUqQUVKL0L40ZSdcpZK1v9Uc8= =v3Jz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/tdefW9X8A8TLGd=BgXSAXtq--