From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8505E139085 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCB70E0CA6; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF936E0CA5 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 15C93341117; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:41:48 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: Dean Stephens Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal Message-ID: <20170117184148.7d7130c4.mgorny@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <5db6cef2-34b4-6355-0563-9c242b229e08@gentoo.org> References: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> <5db6cef2-34b4-6355-0563-9c242b229e08@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/bu6xhXn_alcslEiMdsDvOA4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: b2778485-4dc4-4179-92cb-1da5ab3edf24 X-Archives-Hash: 68af0c2a863346aab90dae2b76301514 --Sig_/bu6xhXn_alcslEiMdsDvOA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:56:30 -0500 Dean Stephens wrote: > On 01/15/17 14:23, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > >=20 > > What do you think? > > =20 > I think this proposal is utterly unworkable in practice. While the > intention is rather obvious, and heavily geared toward actual > contributing members of the community at large, the proposed > definitional scope and structure are incompatible with actual workloads > already in place. >=20 > To provide some perspective to those unfamiliar with the actual volumes > in consideration here, just on the forums there are typically several > "users" manually banned per day for posting spam, and perhaps a dozen or > two profiles manually banned because the profiles themselves were spam, > in addition to that there are typically hundreds (in some cases > thousands) of accounts which are effectively automatically banned due to > their spam content or at the very least matching reported user profiles > on Stop Forum Spam[1]. Opening a Council bug for each of these would be > an insurmountable workload if done manually, and at the very least a > ludicrous volume of completely pointless mail to all Council members; > but it is *exactly* what would be required by this proposal. It sounds like you have a major technical problem and you do not even attempt to solve it. There are many ways of attempting to divert bots, and I don't think we should really be using inability to handle spam as excuse not to report your actions. Of course, regarding multiple replies received, it would probably just be reasonable to generate simple periodical reports instead. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/bu6xhXn_alcslEiMdsDvOA4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEbbsHzE8NrQbqCv5BsHoa6u+0Rk4FAlh+V11fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDZE QkIwN0NDNEYwREFEMDZFQTBBRkU0MUIwN0ExQUVBRUZCNDQ2NEUACgkQsHoa6u+0 Rk6N+A//UI6kR7MjPFEVlwl2+IApJk9ACCv9w2f2F1b1iRl/utkzSC9yrjhBkCqW YjacMQOWfP1j+RzAZcpWC87fc0siRCXw5dKZSeYNamBo/HFUFtnU1kvQ8KWOCWU2 9m+c3l5ZhpzkXB3Y9B7WVku5MDqQmQcZAQ8GPvlglsVq302UF51ltWIvW76M1+EQ 00SZ8Kp0hbRpSS0KIpuQ6wslZNPEZn7fw42rS60E61QIVtjDJ21dRQef1X/k9ZBv sCjiDO6nzub4FvH3EOpwnwrR07zoF/cfaseWdSbTG1Wv82CG4BU7VLrsWC28Beg1 uOxlXRbPSa5Z5HncMIQ5f7emslxO/CrajRYTqiYIms7pNjJ+o2v5PA4dlzCj6Xfw DqKnrxq5aaonMAgq58qdqoOYDtD0+ZN+zkJRNG5dMI48hpJuy5ORwrOWmSxinLIu rjkU3hYWm1CNBn3alGoVN2Imtm5iozZPMcRs10fFQRDMU5S8uNNIhOC1/PK3bGUs UMEW5C1gt8ZAAi2sEIopIZsns31HruEP+vvzqk6gXC1pExfDLjqj2sQTQ+uVS2ZA uciOkuD0B4/qFfAEMLtxb45pFjIdSt/81bxHEdu7Ng1i7u8VjuMR/FeaMX62mzl9 8jy8cN6ACt4TXqxehIDipbf57516u6iDHuGce5bOH9PxpqJZU9s= =sIjK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/bu6xhXn_alcslEiMdsDvOA4--