From: Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 00:45:56 +0300 [thread overview]
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:23:17 -0400 William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Monday, October 3, 2016 10:30:11 PM EDT Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote:
> > On 03/10/16 22:03, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > > Gentoo's entire structure is not what it was intended to be. I have spoken
> > > to Daniel Robbins a few times about this. Things I had in mind long ago
> > > with changing Gentoo's structure, the foundations role, etc were more in
> > > line with what he had intended things to be. Though I believe most do not
> > > want that, likely out of ignorance and status quo, rather than not
> > > wanting thing to change for the good.
> > >
> > > Few projects have structure like Gentoo. Which is also in part why Gentoo
> > > has unique issues, though they can be similar to others. Still very
> > > different just the same. I spent time looking into others, FreeBSD,
> > > Gnome, Debian, etc.
> > Curious, could you elaborate more on this, or just point to archives if
> > you already did?
>
> It has been many years. I will see what I can scrape together. Essentially
> Daniel intended the Foundation to be much stronger and play a much larger role
> in Gentoo. Somehow it was transformed into a IP holder, legal protection, and
> finances. Cut off from development, no relation to council, or project as
> whole. With other projects, the board tends to control and influence technical
> direction more.
This is called evolution, so I see no problem that Gentoo evolved
into something different from what was originally planned.
> Gentoo is some what like a 2 headed snake. Long ago used to be 3, when infra
> was stronger but infra has faded some to where it is just Council and
> Foundation.
This is a separation of power: the legal body is separated from the
technical government. And I find this really great, since Gentoo is
an international community these days.
Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko
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2016-09-29 20:04 [gentoo-project] Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-29 20:56 ` Rich Freeman
2016-09-29 21:12 ` James Le Cuirot
2016-09-29 21:22 ` James Le Cuirot
2016-09-29 22:37 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-09-30 7:05 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2016-09-30 14:26 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-30 7:28 ` [gentoo-project] " Benda Xu
2016-09-30 14:19 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-30 14:51 ` Rich Freeman
2016-09-30 15:28 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-30 15:40 ` Rich Freeman
2016-09-30 15:53 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-30 17:47 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-01 0:09 ` Robin H. Johnson
2016-10-02 22:35 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-02 23:00 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-02 4:59 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-01 8:20 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-01 12:53 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2016-10-01 21:44 ` Gregory Woodbury
2016-10-03 15:29 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 15:47 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-03 16:20 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 18:04 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-03 18:45 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 19:40 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-03 20:03 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 20:30 ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2016-10-03 21:23 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 21:45 ` Andrew Savchenko [this message]
2016-10-03 21:52 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 22:12 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-03 22:40 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-04 3:07 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-04 4:26 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-04 17:34 ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2016-10-04 18:40 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-05 1:40 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-06 22:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-03 22:16 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-05 16:55 ` Gregory Woodbury
2016-10-06 7:14 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-06 7:45 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-06 13:54 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-06 22:09 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-06 22:16 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 0:59 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-06 21:45 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-06 22:02 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 0:32 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-07 0:54 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-07 1:02 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 1:13 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 1:18 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 1:28 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 1:53 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 2:19 ` Matthew Thode
2016-10-07 2:38 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 3:01 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-10 21:47 ` Roy Bamford
2016-10-11 1:05 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-07 4:07 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-10 21:52 ` Roy Bamford
2016-10-11 12:20 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-10-11 14:59 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 15:59 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-10-11 16:11 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 16:22 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 16:29 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-11 16:48 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 16:58 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-11 17:14 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 17:59 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-11 18:10 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 18:37 ` Andreas K. Hüttel
2016-10-11 19:03 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 19:10 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-11 19:40 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 21:09 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-11 21:40 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 22:12 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-11 22:22 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 22:27 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-11 23:03 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 23:20 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-12 12:35 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-10-13 11:12 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-13 11:17 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-13 12:25 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-13 15:12 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-10-11 22:17 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-12 3:25 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-12 6:40 ` Dale
2016-10-12 10:51 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-12 12:49 ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2016-10-12 12:54 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-12 13:58 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-12 15:30 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-12 23:39 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-12 14:11 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-12 20:36 ` Dale
2016-10-12 20:38 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-12 21:28 ` Dale
2016-10-12 20:50 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-12 20:52 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-12 21:30 ` Dale
2016-10-12 21:54 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-13 0:08 ` Dale
2016-10-12 10:26 ` Comrel Accountability (Was "Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...") Daniel Campbell
2016-10-12 11:59 ` Roy Bamford
2016-10-12 12:04 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-12 13:22 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-12 20:35 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-12 20:56 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-12 21:14 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-12 21:23 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-12 21:45 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-12 21:56 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-12 22:03 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-11 17:02 ` [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years M. J. Everitt
2016-10-11 17:22 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 17:31 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-11 16:24 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-11 17:08 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 16:26 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-10-11 17:02 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-11 18:29 ` Roy Bamford
2016-10-07 1:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-07 1:12 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 1:24 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 1:06 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 1:26 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-07 4:57 ` NP-Hardass
2016-10-07 11:58 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 12:22 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 12:30 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-10-07 20:39 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-07 12:45 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 14:05 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 14:20 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 14:32 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 14:54 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-07 15:00 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-10-07 15:03 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 15:17 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 20:32 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-07 15:07 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-07 15:15 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-10-07 15:26 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-07 15:34 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-08 0:53 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-08 0:58 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-08 1:11 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 15:23 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-08 0:47 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-08 0:54 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-09 2:48 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-10 22:07 ` Roy Bamford
2016-10-07 15:00 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 15:16 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 15:13 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 15:22 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-07 14:36 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-10-07 20:24 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-07 14:42 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-07 15:09 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 15:13 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-07 15:27 ` Rich Freeman
2016-10-07 20:36 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-10-08 0:50 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-08 0:04 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-07 23:46 ` Raymond Jennings
2016-10-10 22:05 ` Roy Bamford
2016-10-07 3:54 ` Nick Vinson
2016-10-02 4:24 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-10-03 15:22 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-03 21:33 ` Andrew Savchenko
2016-10-03 22:03 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-30 8:11 ` [gentoo-project] " Andrew Savchenko
2016-10-02 22:51 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-09-30 15:09 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2016-10-12 21:30 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2016-10-13 3:00 ` Aaron Bauman
2016-10-13 5:29 ` Raymond Jennings
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