Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...

[Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org>]

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On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 11:22:45 -0400 William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
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> > His recent output is quite sufficient to come to a decision.
> 
> This is after I had been contributing and working well for a few months. Any 
> situation was once again cause by comrel dredging up the past. Here is factual 
> proof!

William, when you just started your thread, I read through your dev
bug and I decided to keep quiet of what I saw there because this is
a matter of the past. But since you brought yourself the very issue
that caught my attention, I can't be quiet any longer.

> [16:00:06] <jlec> wltjr: hi
> [16:00:22] <jlec> wltjr: we have a slight problem.
> [16:00:45] <jlec> it seems you have a track record in gentoo which I was not 
> aware of.
> [16:01:52] <jlec> The other comrel members demanded some contributions from 
> your side to judge how you are working in a team these days
> [16:03:18] <jlec> "I would like to keep the review limited to 1 maybe 2 hours 
> max" is something which shouldn't be in there. It is not up to you to decide 
> when we are finished.
> [16:03:18] <jlec> But as you have lots of knowledge I am sure we won't have 
> long sessions
> [16:04:33] <jlec> wltjr: So I would like to ask to do contributions via the 
> rsync2git or proxy-maint project and get involved in gentoo via bgo, irc and 
> overlays so that the team gets confident in your returning.
>
> https://135927.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=397252

Just let's be honest and cite another snippet of the very same file:

TR;DR: you made a personal abuse on a recruiter trying to help you.

[16:06:07] <wltjr> jlec: you can ask java team members... I have been porting java-config to C from python....
[16:06:17] <wltjr> jlec: what more work do you want to see?
[16:06:22] <jlec> wltjr: I think the social part is more important.
[16:06:32] <wltjr> jlec: I have submitted ebuilds in bugzilla, I pointed out one
[16:06:45] <wltjr> jlec: again go into #gentoo-java and talk to those I work with if you want to know
[16:06:57] <wltjr> jlec: if you want to bring up social bs, then your not actually concerned with technical contributions and the rest
[16:07:13] <wltjr> jlec: and again my track record speaks for itself, I got gentoo a bank account, redid by laws, and got it legal again
[16:07:24] <wltjr> jlec: no one else in gentoo has done that, and since then the foundation has fallen aside
[16:07:37] <wltjr> jlec: so ask yourself, do you want packages in portage updated no one has in 8 years?
[16:07:51] <wltjr> things like servletapi still remain, despite my efforst to remove in 2008...
[16:08:10] <wltjr> fine by me if gentoo does not have tomcat 8 or ipv6 support qmail, all other distros do....
[16:08:56] <jlec> All that can be contributed by rsync2git and proxy-maint project
[16:09:15] <wltjr> jlec: I got grief last time from those in devrel and I had comments about devrel going away, and where is devrel now gone, merged into comrel with userel....
[16:09:23] <jlec> Of course we like to see your contributions, but technical aspect aren't everything
[16:09:27] <wltjr> jlec: ok never mind, thanks for being the same as others
[16:09:34] <wltjr> jlec: bye
[16:10:56] <jlec> wltjr: that behaviour you are showing right now is on spot with the concerns of the team. You should start prooving the oposite.
[16:12:38] <wltjr> jlec: dude I care less you have things so twisted
[16:12:50] <wltjr> how has anyone been helpful? why should I be any different
[16:13:11] <wltjr> am I being shown respect? thanks for contributions? or willingness to do what others have not in 7+ years
[16:13:25] <wltjr> jlec: are you trying to improve gentoo or not? for real, this social crap is BS
[16:13:43] <wltjr> jlec: I have gotten that same crap for many years now, and you expect me to be any differnet?
[16:14:04] <wltjr> jlec: you cannot bring up a single technical issue with my work then and now, if all you have to go in is social then....
[16:14:14] <wltjr> jlec: but specifically what have I done bad socially recently tell me?
[16:14:14] <jlec> wltjr: exactly that. Be different.
[16:14:38] <jlec> wltjr: you told me how much disrepect other adn
[16:14:43] <wltjr> jlec: good luck with gentoo, gentoo needs to BE DIFFERENT
[16:14:51] <jlec> then tell me I am just like them
[16:14:53] <wltjr> jlec: fyi you have stupid questions on the quiz
[16:14:59] <jlec> that's a personal attack
[16:15:04] <wltjr> 21 on the end of ebuild quiz is stupid
[16:15:19] <jlec> let me see

As I see it from the log above, jlec was nice to you and tried to
help you to return: recommended you to contribute via other means
for a while until devs will be confident that you are nice to
others. And you abused him right away :(

This caught my attention because jlec was my recruiter as well and
I well remember how tactful, helpful and nice he was at this job.
And abusing him was rather unfair.

I hope that you changed since that conversation, but IMHO you
should prove that for community. The simplest way is to work on 
technical stuff and doesn't engage in everything else for a while.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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