From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC4859CAF for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35F9521C0EB; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30FCC21C0EB for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [91.246.88.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bircoph) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B5E1340B07 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 10:01:45 +0300 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-04-10 Message-Id: <20160404100145.7ab64af0b350f3beaf3f4169@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <570177E3.4030006@gentoo.org> References: <22264.15335.14348.781616@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <22273.23505.485029.889112@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <570177E3.4030006@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.20; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Mon__4_Apr_2016_10_01_46_+0300_.Z+y=m+hLZXSdmpK" X-Archives-Salt: 7670d090-d290-43ea-8b30-33dedcd61dd5 X-Archives-Hash: 2a1438d56823e6fe4296898ae45981f6 --Signature=_Mon__4_Apr_2016_10_01_46_+0300_.Z+y=m+hLZXSdmpK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:06:59 -0500 Matthew Thode wrote: > On 04/03/2016 01:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: [...] > > What project (if any) is officially responsible for the creation or > > non-creation of Changelogs in the rsync mirrors? Do they have an > > opinion on this matter? Would they prefer that the Council make a > > decision? > >=20 > > I bring this up because this seems like the sort of thing the Council > > typically doesn't interfere with. > >=20 > > Right now I'm personally inclined to vote against any resolution > > requiring anybody to do anything simply because I don't see a pressing > > need to impose a policy on them. I'd encourage anybody who wants a > > repo with different/absent Changelogs to just create one and let > > others sync it as they desire. > >=20 > > I can certainly see the pros and cons but they don't really seem all > > that dramatic to me. > >=20 > Infra deals with it and it's a pain to continuously generate. It'd be > nice to have people just check/use git instead if they want history, but > people seem resistant to change. (this is my opinion) =20 Git is not a suitable replacement for rsync in some legitimate cases. From memory I remember two (of course, other cases are possible): 1) Git works poorly on slow/unstable connections: it can't resume truncated connection and starts over again from the beginning. 2) While git pull is much faster on a decent connection than rsync, metadata generation is damn slow, especially on older systems. On my Atom it takes several hours which is unacceptable. Please note I'm not talking about ChangeLogs generation, I meant metadata directory requires for portage and many tools (like eix) to work properly. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko --Signature=_Mon__4_Apr_2016_10_01_46_+0300_.Z+y=m+hLZXSdmpK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXAhFaAAoJEPZTWjO6HuSN7qkP/3zjwII0oiKnl6ffkL21H5M8 qe95GLW2jYQvdF26Tx1tm1v1tRZcF/S/fwDbujGZAW7YMuGSSdYM8qlkBkEAEXIa skIVXtF+W9yYCxfowGQ80HH96/ZUbVMVQNelZ3c/6+xbw/A44WezS6PsHIadR3hR jjqWXhlp4u5/Pup97GuhNRRUmK3isaz/6fVQPjbBqRk/oSDj3gLXMptzQ9gaxUJK OuXaa3/p9JXEtTCwcUWyJ5c8Lflmxhy0NJegc/VyppbYQdgRcM2cxwxSPjbOwRwZ XJ03Yog1nqjcpqo9BS6tdUXAWtlfpydHZ01uCN5d1ngmfssqS+0EWj+/phTwLTi4 R8d8VTUryLQPhP4L2EtjxxX9q9tA7b2WhiEtxit4hzfPlH5PO0f0XvFhTVs+/ZOL f53vsMBzTA3TtMMyBRBH3O+3Eh4a30NlSz76DELnFuA6vlcsYExhQX9+yKxbWW4Q XxXE7JwW9pMr28Ohkwly4xzgffZMb8bzbuB8HXtlQ1viczIfMq7hdB5YyJvnA9n7 KTn9y49GR+0ljdLOpLUCAYwc7HaISEs5i2mvw15K4nmo8+rH4WxWdPc1MxZOqsuL RVqy6EsbO8ZumIrexUrPDEOU6S0rX921Vh1bfj79BZDFObiRNYZbvHPqHb52tvJB eqQ6yTNrcDzkVi7xsNO+ =zNYZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Mon__4_Apr_2016_10_01_46_+0300_.Z+y=m+hLZXSdmpK--