From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C412138A1A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D3F3E092A; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC390E0928 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (sloan0.ut.mephi.ru [85.143.112.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bircoph) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5036E34070E for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:39:58 +0300 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract Message-Id: <20150215153958.e2e5bb66a322a3543df368d9@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__15_Feb_2015_15_39_58_+0300_qZ/=QiUEjiLcWXpT" X-Archives-Salt: e89d6a90-26ac-4b70-a874-e39916a3a948 X-Archives-Hash: e109f486432f8ca7387e45c19d62df68 --Signature=_Sun__15_Feb_2015_15_39_58_+0300_qZ/=QiUEjiLcWXpT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:55:41 +0100 Alexey Lapitsky wrote: > Hi Mart, >=20 > I agree with every sentence from your email. >=20 > Rich made a great example about the rabbit hole. I don't think we > should blindly follow the social contract. >=20 > Just want to add that Github has pushed forward so many open source > projects that we must ask ourselves a different question: >=20 > Is Gentoo willing to say "no" to the new users, developers and the > speed of development just because Github is not FOSS? Is Gentoo willing to say "no" to the software freedom and its own social obligations in order to make contributions easier in the simplest way possible? There is a fine line here: if github will turn to a main development platform for Gentoo =E2=80=94 this is way too dangerous from both philosophical and practical ways. What if github will change its policy at any random moment, e.g. will kick projects or deny whole countries to contribute? What if they will require payment for services at some time? Github itself is uncontrolled by Gentoo community, this rises security concerns as well. > As Rich said, Gentoo has always been a bit pragmatic. I think it > should be an easy question for any pragmatic team. P.S. And please, don't top-post. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko --Signature=_Sun__15_Feb_2015_15_39_58_+0300_qZ/=QiUEjiLcWXpT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJU4JOeAAoJEPZTWjO6HuSNOEYP/RUIvpvS1Td/9LhkHjxtiJT2 xzFL4/CxWMNFIsuL40S/jbLf4SlzR/9+QkqU8bOeF54ZdI1dJfdd9JaU2BPN7thI rXzQpfOhjd0VG5HFxKCmb64DDnQNAWIVSA+UPKCBjxjYWQzvHCCXgM4HVllVSO6/ h9RsIXpwSE70IWx0nboO9Svhu1Mzsbm2iNdMgYHdl8qL6zlhJonG5T5lbdZmQnAQ w9Dy27ETOI3+dZgB8INgdKAmN8M2Fsb/lU//SylPXXAn0HB0XRd4A7UYyK8Dq4kP QUx1YcSYopb6U3TGopGnCn4tKh3Fd4VXKJhbzeCx9nCvIiX6wL71OYDkOXWx5jHs ei6bSRLasmFCq0T34hkAA1vUNIsLD11lrSvyguOAQH3Qqt+TTp8QbkfZU7n8AhEI RLNcY1kiUVne5et2AuVSofc01U6i1JskXHBYaAMe8Nv99PFEwDhFrEYk0HoS24t8 mLIMahS1ydP7t73E+Ig67XuZcOIGGw90nnT98ZAPuLf5MaILHByCI5CdHoTLLfRE +eSW0/Px6sUOl9u4Dpp1HIkVs7RIz8UqYQ1PcuM0iXk/sTJk8dTF3lHwGnYipnvw pDhs5gvlCPHytMIwdouWn19exWl70/oePb0iqKSsOwk3jXNj9Yr3A+OYiK2eRRCl ijIJH3xRClAoM99PjZGg =YEeV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__15_Feb_2015_15_39_58_+0300_qZ/=QiUEjiLcWXpT--