From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A197138A1A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3B57E097A; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61B51E093D for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot.lan (77-253-151-206.adsl.inetia.pl [77.253.151.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C23A34070E; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:50:27 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: Andrew Savchenko Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract Message-ID: <20150215145027.06dd1a86@pomiot.lan> In-Reply-To: <20150215153958.e2e5bb66a322a3543df368d9@gentoo.org> References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> <20150215153958.e2e5bb66a322a3543df368d9@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/FXGoswyn5Ct/86FwCbf8yOs"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 81003fa1-3ff1-4a26-8a55-e320de1c5745 X-Archives-Hash: a40ed6cd3a453d827e380b0dea5dbe2b --Sig_/FXGoswyn5Ct/86FwCbf8yOs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2015-02-15, o godz. 15:39:58 Andrew Savchenko napisa=C5=82(a): > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:55:41 +0100 Alexey Lapitsky wrote: > > Hi Mart, > >=20 > > I agree with every sentence from your email. > >=20 > > Rich made a great example about the rabbit hole. I don't think we > > should blindly follow the social contract. > >=20 > > Just want to add that Github has pushed forward so many open source > > projects that we must ask ourselves a different question: > >=20 > > Is Gentoo willing to say "no" to the new users, developers and the > > speed of development just because Github is not FOSS? >=20 > Is Gentoo willing to say "no" to the software freedom and its own > social obligations in order to make contributions easier in the > simplest way possible? Please explain me, how *exactly* does allowing contributions via proprietary platform hurt free software? > What if github will change its policy at any random moment, e.g. > will kick projects or deny whole countries to contribute? What if > they will require payment for services at some time? Then users will simply stop using it. Simple as that. > Github itself is uncontrolled by Gentoo community, this rises > security concerns as well. Everything rises security concerns, and especially random stuff hosted by Gentoo Infra with no clear ToS, privacy policy and other basic documentation in place. Next thing I know, we should stop using third party mirrors because we have no control over them and users can end up relying on their mirror of choice reliably providing Gentoo files. And at the same time, a number of developers ignores the fact that SRC_URIs are no longer valid and files are only kept alive by random mirrors. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/FXGoswyn5Ct/86FwCbf8yOs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJU4KQmXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOBJEP/23BrZJkf/bCaavNcCIsL4g6 5i1AzT+INDpYlNqXBvN1KgxXazNmB5jT1vL24EO5JapPtJFCoSBPfv3crL3H79bc +b2gJciju7/NYM3rD7upzURS0C6VykMA4TG48glwnEXR8e9zqR6WXZ2FUIP+9S1q RaM6fN6Am2dKyDDEvypgpyOsikknW3997kzv2terqbPAl4zG1dRBwSJ9BmyIWhMK bZwSOK+FkBG3kZBK/5G6sex72FPpORjuuDPMGmgBvVgmIkJ+bQG9DlX6KieA4Yrc AZh4gbzDRlIDhK0UNDQOJF3GQysboilflubv9Bcmuqok4/n7nN2iEKP8CM8c/ag9 nw4XvjIkZBw5fcAaRUhnMHgROjgHzjbhso7y2W/4ik6uSOubDFrB27oTkg8Bpq/k bXRMtvK47y2KI80CltbGaeqHpuaHkabkbijgktvB3mjeead+Px4AGnIp4gaoIun/ H2BZIC9/+hOlPefnlDj9QjH5qPxnqopG0Cjn8HiLHn3sJmxPjeqMMkJwzopL28pf jcFFSRdCrQ3SkHMfJAoAs5aOFc3ciqxm9Q3sPzaeyRuPjFp6NqePbBQqGDKsiv9F f9HBM6cqtDiEVamsrZwf274jMLp66j7N0ql/1Hn+eZCwCapTMc//7q8NOsg1rFXg Rd1QhOn9sTgrEcH7eX7j =75b/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/FXGoswyn5Ct/86FwCbf8yOs--