From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9E9138A1A for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5DBDE0A6A; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AC76E0A60 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (sloan0.ut.mephi.ru [85.143.112.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bircoph) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 623B73407D8 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:13:36 +0300 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract Message-Id: <20150215021336.4d916daa459d8081fcc2f73b@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20150214224054.16de1017@googlemail.com> References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <54DFC134.5070300@gentoo.org> <54DFC771.8060802@gentoo.org> <20150214221352.3c52aa6f@googlemail.com> <54DFCAF4.8090306@gentoo.org> <20150214223148.0aa094da@googlemail.com> <20150215013540.e861fb20ebcbea7b49b2ec19@gentoo.org> <20150214224054.16de1017@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__15_Feb_2015_02_13_36_+0300_qR+pV.Q/Q6pBqHIy" X-Archives-Salt: fdca04d0-a02e-4656-8c14-caa975d511d7 X-Archives-Hash: cbc60b5bb1b2c930fe86b349f6362408 --Signature=_Sun__15_Feb_2015_02_13_36_+0300_qR+pV.Q/Q6pBqHIy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:40:54 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 01:35:40 +0300 > Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:31:48 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:23:48 +0100 > > > Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > > > On 14/02/15 23:13, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > > > That's how Git works. > > > > > > > > Consider contributors (Gentoo developers or not) that want to > > > > submit patches to a project. They should have access to the > > > > primary repository (git or not), and be able to contribute > > > > without being forced to use proprietary software. This is > > > > incredibly easy to facilitate, so I don't expect us to have a > > > > problem related to github and our social mission here. > > >=20 > > > What if their ISP runs proprietary software to manage its network? > > > Will Gentoo accept patches by pigeon? (Obviously the postal service > > > can't be relied upon to not use proprietary software.) > >=20 > > One should not confuse transparent data transmission mediator and > > active data management engine required to create, submit or > > apply changes. >=20 > What's the difference between connecting to a proprietary Git server > over an open network stack, and connecting to an open Git server over a > proprietary network stack? 1a. If proprietary git server denies user, nothing can be done. Access to a free software project is restricted. 1b. If proprietary network stack makes it impossible to use free git server, it is possible to change ISP in most of cases. 2a. Github has almost no obligations to free software users: service access is free, but may be restricted any moment without any legal penalties. 2b. ISP services are usually paid for, so users have a possibility to affect ISP actions in majority of cases. 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