From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46018138A1A for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD2DAE0A84; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DAC3E0A82 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id q59so22999296wes.1 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:19:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type; bh=dmDH+ecX/RVHIXa/qWeqF230ls9s6b461CSKsi4RBto=; b=w01fuaW7jS2JQ8PwUG2BUzg9Ma7WYp//9z16Hsu/ODVSyVWHzK20QwF6Ea+SNSjove vCIH5gPo8qXg+3gn9nr3PEkZ0snplJ5gTZgGJBRMRJiwZF+ZWyqC7lcsX/lovZNXN5fC 6BajBCbaYwdthHTAVN762zodHLV7Dj6OP/FxkRVXxjnvdHiEEj3bXOCtFXdlO9uwx2Dq YdAK56llp7aQa+gINoNgsHMdPLdm+kKP9BDKjy9rG/PzPyJpXIZNkFtKpLI7qsqPUDi1 HZlDpQP/EZ+h+Cscv9B8VXlh/0PCz2TEKaDWqI4odoEhskDC04RQLJuzjjmt4LvKL0XS BD9Q== X-Received: by 10.194.205.228 with SMTP id lj4mr33824673wjc.77.1423955990129; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cpc67371-broo7-2-0-cust693.14-2.cable.virginm.net. [82.28.182.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hv5sm15960194wjb.16.2015.02.14.15.19.49 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:19:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:19:48 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract Message-ID: <20150214231948.2787b3f0@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20150215021336.4d916daa459d8081fcc2f73b@gentoo.org> References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <54DFC134.5070300@gentoo.org> <54DFC771.8060802@gentoo.org> <20150214221352.3c52aa6f@googlemail.com> <54DFCAF4.8090306@gentoo.org> <20150214223148.0aa094da@googlemail.com> <20150215013540.e861fb20ebcbea7b49b2ec19@gentoo.org> <20150214224054.16de1017@googlemail.com> <20150215021336.4d916daa459d8081fcc2f73b@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/oUasDYkYnqrxOG5LfmmQIXN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: cdfd0c8e-6597-4a89-9a5e-a1eee27d8511 X-Archives-Hash: 204b1fc2292be553b00daf306551b209 --Sig_/oUasDYkYnqrxOG5LfmmQIXN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:13:36 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > What's the difference between connecting to a proprietary Git server > > over an open network stack, and connecting to an open Git server > > over a proprietary network stack? >=20 > 1a. If proprietary git server denies user, nothing can be done. > Access to a free software project is restricted. If an ISP decides to start blocking traffic, access is restricted. This happens regularly. > 1b. If proprietary network stack makes it impossible to use free > git server, it is possible to change ISP in most of cases. It's utterly trivial to move a Git repository. It's not easy to change ISP. > 2a. Github has almost no obligations to free software users: > service access is free, but may be restricted any moment without any > legal penalties. So what? If it is, it doesn't affect anything, because Git doesn't rely upon everything being in one specific place. > 2b. ISP services are usually paid for, so users have a possibility > to affect ISP actions in majority of cases. Tell that to anyone whose government decides to block Github... --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/oUasDYkYnqrxOG5LfmmQIXN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlTf2BQACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFUMQCgtz02UU3m39Eg7eDuTzzur2ve QcsAoI7RkN6lZKBpA6bF52i3ETolfCe3 =oUdP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/oUasDYkYnqrxOG5LfmmQIXN--