From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-project+bounces-4182-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BCD138A1A for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65DF6E0850; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-mail.c-base.org (c-mail.c-base.org [194.29.227.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB188E0843 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from f052110239.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.110.239] helo=futterbrett.wireless.lan) by c-mail.c-base.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <baccenfutter@c-base.org>) id 1YBU9u-0003yV-E1 for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 21:03:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 21:03:15 +0100 From: Brian Wiborg <baccenfutter@c-base.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Some focus for Gentoo Message-ID: <20150114200315.GC7497@futterbrett.wireless.lan> References: <20150114034323.GA22358@comet.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150114034323.GA22358@comet.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Archives-Salt: c430ed20-72c2-44d8-851a-95fb3d413362 X-Archives-Hash: 9e83fecaf7fd3ad922278506b4a927f8 Hi, I am - except for one small ebuild some years ago - a plain Gentoo user and not a dev at all. Still I'd like to comment on your post. I am personally very passionate about Gentoo. Especially because of top-3 of you blog post. Whenever people ask me why the heck I would take the struggle of running Gentoo on my laptop and desktop I answer "because nowhere else I have been able to learn so much about Linux and have so much choice about what I want to dive into." I work as Linux Admin for a living and am planning to do so until I retire. I work in a business hosting company, so my clients are Linux Admins themselves and not plain regular users or customer. If I want to do my job well, I need to have a deeper understanding than them about everything they could consult me about. When I first got in contact with Linux to host a game-server for friends about 6-ish years ago I didn't even know how to run an executable (prefix it with ./) and had to ask. I should leave my hands off of Linux if I don't even know how to run an executable, they said. I went from Dapper Drake over some Ubuntu versions to Squeeze. After that I went directly to Gentoo and have been sticky for only about three years now. As of today, my boss believes it to be a great idea to have me in management and so I've been promoted to lead of the hosting-team. Thank you Gentoo, I wouldn't have come so far without you! I conclude that your point is absolutely valid and it would break my heart to see this use case get out of focus. Additionally, I would like to propose another use case: = Felxibility = In the age of cloud computing where rock-solid and hardened setups have evolved to fire-and-forget throw-aways, people seem to forget that there are still some classical environments out there. Environments of more static nature, than disposal hosts that one just provisions on-the-fly and destrys when done. Environments such as good old shared-hosting. Due to the nature of portage and the ability to work in slots and mask specific ebuild version, I know of no other distribution so perfectly fit for such environments than Gentoo. Ever went through a PHP upgrade with a couple thousand web-roots and databases in a shared-hosting Debian environment? It is painful! As a matter of fact, I know of another hosting company in my area that builds entirely upon Gentoo while specializing in individualized high-performance e-commerce hosting. There is no better distro for that. Of the top of my head I would guess that is around 2-3k Gentoo setups right there (my company and the other hoster). Consider that. baccenfutter o7