From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6440A1391DB for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A689EE093E; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 042EBE0928 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot.lan (77-254-77-139.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.77.139]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC3AF33FD85; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:01:57 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?B?TWljaGGzIEfzcm55?= To: Andrew Savchenko Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 Message-ID: <20140802120157.60a62665@pomiot.lan> In-Reply-To: <20140731113651.f3ed39ac883ee35bc31920d6@gmail.com> References: <21463.26330.847055.224071@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20140730092638.5c6335d1@pomiot.lan> <53D8C8D0.9070001@gentoo.org> <20140730154428.4c736e6811a22de2d7fc8d1d@gmail.com> <53D8F7C5.3070803@gentoo.org> <20140731113651.f3ed39ac883ee35bc31920d6@gmail.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.24; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/TWx6JzvhBHrnHbsTTE/jlRX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 03bd6eb7-e9e1-40a8-b2b1-07357cf195a7 X-Archives-Hash: 79e3d42f986914316bd45dc42a3ef8cc --Sig_/TWx6JzvhBHrnHbsTTE/jlRX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2014-07-31, o godz. 11:36:51 Andrew Savchenko napisa=B3(a): > Hello, >=20 > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:48:53 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > On 30/07/14 13:44, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > > Please carefully consider this matter. Having a dedicated group is > > > quite convenient to limit users from using games on workstations > > > and is also handy as a parental control feature. Of course, a > > > dedicated group is not an ultimate solution and can be evaded by > > > technically skilled users, but it nevertheless helps. > > If you need to limit users from using games on a workstation, something > > is wrong somewhere else. As for parental control -- it makes no sense. > > They can install games locally for their own user, >=20 > On noexec partinion for /home and user temp dirs it will be not > possible to run them. ...which doesn't help with scripting languages like Python or bash. > > and they can still > > look at whatever you don't want them to look at using the WWW; and they > > can also watch films you do not want them to watch, listen to music you > > object to, or read books you disagree with. > >=20 > > Restricting access to games, or indeed films, music, books or other > > things, is not a problem I think we should be concerned about. It's > > much too difficult to get right, and in my opinion completely > > pointless and stupid. If you want to censor your children's access to > > creative outlets -- do it yourself on your own computer, instead of > > tasking us with the job. We are not nannies. >=20 > It looks like my reasoning wrong was misunderstood a bit. ATM I'm > not personally interested in these features, but I find them useful > in some practical use cases. And looks like I'm not alone here, > because these features were introduced long time ago and for a > reason. This is not an argument. Many things were introduced long time ago for a reason, sometimes because someone made something up. And then they are kept for a long time for another reason called stubbornness. > I just want to point out that current games policy have not > only cons, but also pros. And code to support this policy is > already here (while it may be buggy, portage itself is quite buggy). The problem is that the cons outweight the pros, and the pros may be used by a few users while the cons affect everyone. > And please do not refer to "other distros", because Gentoo is very > different by its nature from majority of distros. Without specifics, this is meaningless. There's no well-defined 'nature' of Gentoo, nor I have any idea how the differences apply to this specific case. That said, cross-distribution compatibility is important. If Gentoo diverges from other distributions, it breeds packages that don't work properly with other distributions and this is exactly the opposite of what programmers using Gentoo expect. --=20 Best regards, Micha=B3 G=F3rny --Sig_/TWx6JzvhBHrnHbsTTE/jlRX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJT3LcVXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOt6MP/jU1FsAScVNDkV81dkgTe3aK 9Nd1nwdNf6ikoCucYZrp8fazSm/R46PrzfBqnTx4R8/lAQJLzNb2r/sTx9HkdXTv fmKiWPSsuPsmmqbinJSnblrFsrOmvz7VkgTF+jqtffljucI1sji/ZYvCqRsRpPdz zuXW60oxnkFWpgWH6VON9rnEgWcuogWa86LKo3DAUQW3To+ZUeyM5MY7opqMBi9f PFGWN39k3rdJxOH8eTL6LMUgj3Erv0OV3MITFpqZbUQP05mBOYNbwZQuJx8Fdp08 yaOna8jb4apnED0vL7tOnXmd44ss4KIdNN27yFfolx/1r9+FkMI5MyjZquJu1xsv wzloX8Ivn947ePBVAEp1hCHOYkc1UbdO/VVYI29QLO2bc2GZ4Hnm/soesSdMU23F rcyOds4y2RyqBjZ4bh/257cUvlUYF/N86dcTLo88K+tTUkcdRcU4FMcTr934wUcs MxEmwInafJKp2BtXyXhv2ApuZxHVeSe8rANnV8wuMNZhV6LMeQzVWShvWzZQNZcg 74njxwOWv1e4iIYZYKV9vQo6v3PP6di3CxkhySYpBa3TLa8pz3o28a5jlvts7UOv 89dqMDcacOqKonqf7DdortNkYY8BFcObiYvjW3yHaBZL/Vq2/wZAtkbthjP2ZWXu NbEeF9Rq8gGju/8lSLtO =QJmP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/TWx6JzvhBHrnHbsTTE/jlRX--