From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9618A1391DB for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8295DE07F9; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0D5E07DB for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 10so1690213lbg.6 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:37:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type; bh=WaBFECNeSodspDRMPaQWoNcLpxNQK5vCwTpuNfknKuE=; b=0IS42CIVyTWybvCF6iP4b0O5zHpCvqoKqfOAYKJW3V1zvhewcQlu8bwEzSXuQXAGCw prhL76T7gnLDwvwd6zccJTgkDfR5TJwLNHrV2fgrrwnz7zQ96iaATtRnaMtiotTmXAGs DWVyD9NQRU8mrvK1297T8OCgW8UNa3qbljPW/W4EkxBQ7qPZa/g2wxpCjiEoC5+uxjvy zFPI4oG3eI3LlreIb6JktIwxQ2TsVge5jwDxIkkO4w0+tYfRTQcJb3KnLJWMpK5ywcmQ b7IZpr0Xts/LcEJO6y/sbeAGkXehTgOY8dhAuwvLAycG0nwYOVKcDuYqqaaCgUUhZsfu 1f+w== X-Received: by 10.153.6.7 with SMTP id cq7mr10052224lad.9.1406792241962; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([198.46.152.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t5sm2520583laa.26.2014.07.31.00.37.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:36:51 +0400 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 Message-Id: <20140731113651.f3ed39ac883ee35bc31920d6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53D8F7C5.3070803@gentoo.org> References: <21463.26330.847055.224071@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20140730092638.5c6335d1@pomiot.lan> <53D8C8D0.9070001@gentoo.org> <20140730154428.4c736e6811a22de2d7fc8d1d@gmail.com> <53D8F7C5.3070803@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.1 (GTK+ 2.24.23; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__31_Jul_2014_11_36_51_+0400_TCcLM7Uy8AnfytxC" X-Archives-Salt: 4f3c9670-66a5-4a47-9c14-fb87b537586a X-Archives-Hash: 235b1de72bc5d15fd3c1693ec157f8e8 --Signature=_Thu__31_Jul_2014_11_36_51_+0400_TCcLM7Uy8AnfytxC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:48:53 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 30/07/14 13:44, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > Please carefully consider this matter. Having a dedicated group is > > quite convenient to limit users from using games on workstations > > and is also handy as a parental control feature. Of course, a > > dedicated group is not an ultimate solution and can be evaded by > > technically skilled users, but it nevertheless helps. > If you need to limit users from using games on a workstation, something > is wrong somewhere else. As for parental control -- it makes no sense. > They can install games locally for their own user, On noexec partinion for /home and user temp dirs it will be not possible to run them. > and they can still > look at whatever you don't want them to look at using the WWW; and they > can also watch films you do not want them to watch, listen to music you > object to, or read books you disagree with. >=20 > Restricting access to games, or indeed films, music, books or other > things, is not a problem I think we should be concerned about. It's > much too difficult to get right, and in my opinion completely > pointless and stupid. If you want to censor your children's access to > creative outlets -- do it yourself on your own computer, instead of > tasking us with the job. We are not nannies. It looks like my reasoning wrong was misunderstood a bit. ATM I'm not personally interested in these features, but I find them useful in some practical use cases. And looks like I'm not alone here, because these features were introduced long time ago and for a reason. I just want to point out that current games policy have not only cons, but also pros. And code to support this policy is already here (while it may be buggy, portage itself is quite buggy). And please do not refer to "other distros", because Gentoo is very different by its nature from majority of distros. 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