From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8640513877A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 713A0E0878; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5C29E0871 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot.lan (87-205-65-151.adsl.inetia.pl [87.205.65.151]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B83134024B; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:48:52 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?B?TWljaGGzIEfzcm55?= To: Andrew Savchenko Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, Alexander Berntsen Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 Message-ID: <20140730154852.11186366@pomiot.lan> In-Reply-To: <20140730154428.4c736e6811a22de2d7fc8d1d@gmail.com> References: <21463.26330.847055.224071@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20140730092638.5c6335d1@pomiot.lan> <53D8C8D0.9070001@gentoo.org> <20140730154428.4c736e6811a22de2d7fc8d1d@gmail.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.24; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/LzfSynN+Hm7PCwn8kq=Nb+9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: a7e0de73-5b87-4363-b7cd-eb129792e29c X-Archives-Hash: 7d3c0001d7cdbaf3b8f0cae64ecfaa50 --Sig_/LzfSynN+Hm7PCwn8kq=Nb+9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2014-07-30, o godz. 15:44:28 Andrew Savchenko napisa=B3(a): > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:28:32 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > On 30/07/14 09:26, Micha=B3 G=F3rny wrote: > > > 3. the use of group 'games' to control access to games can be=20 > > > deprecated and needs not to be enforced, > > I would like the council to consider removing this group altogether, > > and fixing all ebuilds to not use it. >=20 > Please carefully consider this matter. Having a dedicated group is > quite convenient to limit users from using games on workstations > and is also handy as a parental control feature. Please tell me, how many uses of games on workstations were actually prevented thanks to it? How often do you happen to have a station that has multiple users, games installed and you want to limit *all* portage-installed games to subset of those users? This a misguided attempt of fixing a social issue via technical means, and it backfires a lot. In some cases it's an overkill, in some cases it's incomplete. Following this logic, we ought to also limit access to all ECMAScript-capable web browsers and scripting languages, including the shell... oh wait, we just bricked the machine. The only correct reason to limit access to games is when those involve proprietary games for which only one of the users has license. But then, it's a very big sledgehammer and a very small nut -- think of the casualties. > > Maybe we could finally get rid > > of this[0] 8 year old bug in the process. > >=20 > > [0] >=20 > If application doesn't validate its input, this is an application's > bug. If users are allowed to edit files they were not supposed to edit, then it's a distribution bug. Failure to validate input is orthogonal to this, and should be fixed independently of it. --=20 Best regards, Micha=B3 G=F3rny --Sig_/LzfSynN+Hm7PCwn8kq=Nb+9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJT2PfHXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOebsP/i64pqEPdlk/+lGXvZ9/aP/h fTvNQeaUq2j+SbBmVj7mnwA0kcwjMCHmu3riA4iRDt7npVR0FQGAz3pD1ly28rH/ 1yjTgaN+ZIF1aafl30PV2p1/Gt9Z6tHrhR2bCuorePn6HeetrJAQkJn9C4TCaocc S7acJl/zEf99MDJJzHnOgUkoZTA6x8joi0ShyoC/xteJWk0Gymu3mRxR1yXFpVDu dZj24zHeYkGN9k+cnLhoJ8ISN25QoP0sZqC8N6vzXTPpxgz6EpMTsBkD5v45nf3m JvxuE3fndSjYez6BDvECCEW11K1V2Ld48eRyKpb/be4IRsaHLDA+Zt6G/gXhP1t+ MsMF3ya6NYf6VkBMwN14AQ2rsnYURYoGChAbAyoAz1mxePnEWLImu4EyY9wRKiFg WJLpKvNcHGaOtJ9JoIzigfZxo9KGMsV3GyhnoOKqunMyD+IZF8/3v0lGnF1DFQaC B0betxudZ4GorVj/NHA/SYU89tRB3jwJpsoyyPrmgUepV1ONwdsHF3ZXyfZ+IR9s nh9ydJxLEtXe4hnyZZP9jQr1ZI9cKqH5H1ggS3eA0j11ME6WZITqO6PivaXPvFwH UF6ZHChndRJ+tA94n+ddaggirSdRPOGbGP70lEQgSo99f+QbH+jodCV3Dph5Dbdd UTJQj7AiZukudddS6588 =CUxB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/LzfSynN+Hm7PCwn8kq=Nb+9--