From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E21A13877A for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 23:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED89BE08AF; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 23:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be (andre.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C9EE08AD for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 23:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.51.153]) by andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id NPd01o00B3JKcCE01Pd0VQ; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 01:37:00 +0200 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 03:36:49 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: calchan@gentoo.org, seemantk@gmail.com, rich0@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election Message-ID: <20140705033649.67d2d1c5@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <539BD2E2.7030803@gentoo.org> <3677509.vVmt2iqRkA@kailua> <53B53E12.10209@opensource.dyc.edu> <1827087.o57vyRvkxh@kailua> <53B58E33.5010906@gentoo.org> <53B6834C.5050003@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/dy+WH2KLi=IYxUD+Avk.kXf"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: c0931f46-5129-458e-a7d4-49a61ca85e41 X-Archives-Hash: 9c9725addc43de944d39a82ede0051c6 --Sig_/dy+WH2KLi=IYxUD+Avk.kXf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:50:12 -0600 Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Seemant Kulleen > wrote: > > You're obviously frustrated (and you might even be giving voice to > > more than just your own feeling, here). >=20 > I think you're trying to read a little too far into that short message > I wrote. I did not send it out of frustration or anger. It's not my > habit to write public messages on a whim. As is usual with me, it took > me a very long time to craft it exactly like I wanted, about one hour > and a half in that case. And I meant exactly what I wrote, no less, > but also no more. >=20 > I said that because it had to be said (and is actually being said in > smaller circles). I do not accept that anybody's position protects > them from that or anything else. There is no place for royalty in > Gentoo. There is place for communication in Gentoo. Communication takes time to master, to get the actual message across; paragraphs without "I ..." constructs and hidden messages are effective. Communication takes thought about how text is read by the receiver; similarly, doing something is more effective than commanding something. Communication takes the reader to AGF[1], ATPOABB[2], ...; messages are rarely perfect, often they are interpreted in a different way[3].=20 Communication takes 2 sides; what you [positive] and [negative], tell people more about what you [positive] to focus on what needs focus. Consider that you can swap "communication" with "transparency"... :) So; what are rich0, calchan, ... communicating about here and why? The very first words are about "making ComRel more transparant"; thinking that through, it takes effort for an outsider to join a team seeming to be solid where transparency is met with disagreement. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ben/Assume_the_presence_of_a_belly-button [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_the_assumption_of_good_faith --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/dy+WH2KLi=IYxUD+Avk.kXf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTt1a2AAoJEPWZc8roOL/Qw20H+gNZiDpEVR5LfeFnkRIZzIr7 BSFUYatAa0Ikca68K4jyZrvSRomX2NBd7onS7GmfyBBPa2AUMu0k0JjhVSQMsjjB YVQjBN9VkhnegsZowVWYOboQVIzo/r8ki7My+pCqV1n5fi+8cLHHm7xO6LnGiVL3 rsMRI4DKIDGtQdpRsc3KpsAFeBf5mGrm1vAFJM6b2/qfhyEFLgFDgN1eO3fvJm2y v28WyCHckdfEwbfDTovPOHvVPvMTm/K0mGwQkUCmlra8R1bFKIZkaowxnGSzeWtN QCbSqm7AxqdjGCMgPddhZR65ARD0y5EQ1t2FvU86gMnMPLiM1m8TpIgZNFaiiRg= =/GLI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/dy+WH2KLi=IYxUD+Avk.kXf--