On Sun, 11 May 2014 21:12:36 +0000 hasufell wrote: > Anyway, last time I spoke with the QA lead, he said that QA has > currently enough manpower. > > It's a little bit confusing. Please ask him as to why, he's not reading this ML atm; while I could guess random reasons, I'm not entirely sure so it confuses me as well. From my viewpoint, more people want to sign up for QA; at which point, I would personally question at which size the QA team becomes too large... ... although we have a Portage team of that size; from what I recall from there, is that it becomes nasty to organize meetings that way. > What I am pissed about are the arguments other people have given (not > you), not the missing tinderbox... really. I appreciate every hour > people put in gentoo. It isn't about "you didn't get enough stuff > done", at all. +1 > It is about some comments that reveal the way QA (or some parts of it) > thinks about itself. Nothing more, nothing less. Sincerely, the QA team had a rough time figuring that out; given that we started from a clean slate with nothing to refer to, or in other words we weren't mentored into a QA role. For an insight of how I think about QA; please really consider to read the attachment, it is an intact version of the application that I've written towards the Gentoo Council. It features some topics that I think might be an interesting read: - What did the python-exec blocker learn us? - How to indicate regressions much faster? - What do I think the new Gentoo QA team should look like? - What can we do to make the new Gentoo QA team more effective? - What other work is there to do? - Comments & References But I'd like to know your view on it, I have two (or four) questions: - How do you want the QA team to be (or not be)? - What parts do you think we do wrong (or right)? Feel free to reflect the application and recent QA work, I'm all ears. > Something about that needs to change, IMO. And I don't necessarily > mean a regrouping of members or something similar. We already tried > that, didn't we? Let's not make it a habit. > > It's sad that you have to yell out that loud before people actually > listen. But the fact is... you have to. > > In the end, the blame is on the guy who yelled, not on the people who > didn't listen, because CoC doesn't really cover the latter. +1 -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D