From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A29F1381FA for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 18:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77ABEE09B6; Sun, 11 May 2014 18:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from xavier.telenet-ops.be (xavier.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.52]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EBDE06CC for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.55.127]) by xavier.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0itj1o00z2khLEN01itjhn; Sun, 11 May 2014 20:53:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 20:53:31 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: rich0@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Message-ID: <20140511205331.5d4ba267@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <536CE132.1070305@gentoo.org> <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <536D183A.1020405@gentoo.org> <536D1C28.1010504@gentoo.org> <20140509203727.1d6a3e69@gentoo.org> <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> <536E2CE8.1070807@gentoo.org> <20140511161420.41fce9f7@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/UqSu6vbrYM67txukLBb_CM+"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 48049241-503d-4867-a93a-38e26ec1bd3b X-Archives-Hash: 4693a8f97c82399700a8bbc7ef3e42a6 --Sig_/UqSu6vbrYM67txukLBb_CM+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:06:34 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Tom Wijsman > wrote: > > 3) contact multiple persons from the arch teams to be fully aware, > > answers ranging from "Samuli can do that" [a personal > > exception?] to "That's rude" [the opposite of that exception?]; so, > > confusing; >=20 > Honestly, vague accusations don't serve much purpose here. > > Either keep details private to protect identities if you want to talk > about something in general, or just come out and say what you're > concerned with so that we can talk about it in specific. Naming names > but not the details is basically the worst of both worlds... It is an example, not an accusation; it is a heavily redacted detail, without naming any names. This is just yet another case to learn from. Maybe I should go have a drink with Samuli and laugh about the event. =20 > Rumor has it [...] That's a good song; reading its lyrics, it might fit the situation... :) > I don't really see a need for personal exceptions. To give that context, it was meant to suggest a lot of developers, given that they make use of sufficient arch testing practices; not just Samuli in specific, I apologize for the unintended word "personal". > We haven't really been super-organized as a project in recent years, > so I'm not sure anybody can really speak for the team as a whole. That's the impression I get from talking to multiple arch members, I'm told different things; I think the arch team is used to their habits, thus communication is no longer common, which causes thoughts to shift. > Honestly, concern about devs messing with stable keywords should > probably just be brought to the attention of arch teams and left at > that. QA is everybody's business, and this seems like QA, but in this > sort of case the arch teams are in a better position to decide if > there is a problem. Yes, that's why I've told Alon to talk to Samuli and the arch teams; with the intention to have them sort this out with each other, without the need to escalate this to teams like QA, ComRel, Council. But I'm someone that respects communication, documentation and policy; call it being afraid of failure, I want to do things the right way. OCD Perhaps that devmanual reference made Samuli upset; if so, sorry... --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/UqSu6vbrYM67txukLBb_CM+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTb8crAAoJEPWZc8roOL/Q9wYIAI1zCYNU782Ko6rpYmcC8kGm zjSBgUmVJfh+JL7kwlvLuQTfptNWjnRkVFXyFdBfnTQOOnxT8xuvDr7fjDYFPs9i gHyyBvs33WNEopGhXVIe0llqx8LX+JBNMYizT6EN2QXIbS3Hc5rKydmJwLJt4EAF jjt9mVhNT3L/CP+HZH7mBjDQMGAq0cuMAD+lqs1aWs8FrIFCpj5s3/yUDuuatCzN vOXoz3MxgGgbrC4lP6DiB6cbZWmDIu5s5jeWnu36lvF1CaYd+nx5F8LLkmt9FBHg YVcgawdFrBPdZbfyeWfKpYxA2QOrtedrbtXw5ZVWqXhflEYEu1wAzsr02eSeHYk= =/ieD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/UqSu6vbrYM67txukLBb_CM+--