From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D1D1381FA for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 18:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 182B6E09FE; Sun, 11 May 2014 18:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from xavier.telenet-ops.be (xavier.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.52]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD7CE09FA for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.55.127]) by xavier.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0iFs1o00N2khLEN01iFsoq; Sun, 11 May 2014 20:15:52 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 20:15:39 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: jer@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Message-ID: <20140511201539.6e9aaee2@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20140511195207.681d5f44@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> References: <536CE132.1070305@gentoo.org> <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <536D183A.1020405@gentoo.org> <536D1C28.1010504@gentoo.org> <20140509203727.1d6a3e69@gentoo.org> <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> <536E2CE8.1070807@gentoo.org> <20140511161420.41fce9f7@gentoo.org> <20140511185146.36e09a2d@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140511191827.32abfe0e@gentoo.org> <20140511195207.681d5f44@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/kpWSikhEJmfuGbby8UxdnMJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 58e8a9e9-609d-42ab-905c-6be3761b9dab X-Archives-Hash: 43853106a57747c74b962d5b879a66c3 --Sig_/kpWSikhEJmfuGbby8UxdnMJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 May 2014 19:52:07 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2014 19:18:27 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: >=20 > > Can you also consider that people are pushing QA too hard, or > > rubbing the QA team the wrong way? Action, reaction; there are two > > sides to it. >=20 > Sure. Everyone suffers. +1 > But as you [..] you have an obvious problem working in that setting. Yes, hence the reply; such that we can solve this with the community. > And to me it looks remarkably like you were throwing the book at > someone while assuming a "[QA]" role. It doesn't look like that's > working out too well. Well, no, in this case the "documented in gentoo-core in 2007" book is thrown at QA; doesn't work too well, when we can't even read that book. Remarkable that new developers are expected to have magically read it; the lack of knowledge codification is a problem, hence the policy needs an update instead of another tired "you must not have been here in 20XX" remark by a random developer with no quote or reference that helps out. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/kpWSikhEJmfuGbby8UxdnMJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTb75MAAoJEPWZc8roOL/QU5MIAIIwMdKQFQi2aHA7ZLKMQQpD KBWVwyXEYERpFHXSnZdphveqNmA6qwm7Hf+PuLu/w5yz0s864aicdmHncmCT4JDg 0SF1jJBIEjLJula7Rjit7GBszggtO9kyYA52oL9PgsjM5+D/A12PrY/wIU0wZsaA zVOe7Ham8DKwsk/X6hH5BKwpqLBZQb9ceuQNxi3V0ZlJqEiLhcAE/dedRYGSacaL eKgHeJ+/m7VK7YHGdbvFh4buUSRxYSRUze4gQ6XZOLhUM6GTMAsRYApqgoQPjxSf lvc/o4j5l/InVgN0mNxFsaRcbZMsxbtsFWwrtY24czOMYd6kU/+y/b14b+7eVGA= =WHUv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/kpWSikhEJmfuGbby8UxdnMJ--