From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AE51381FA for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 17:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F38FE09F2; Sun, 11 May 2014 17:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baptiste.telenet-ops.be (baptiste.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.51]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9551E09CD for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 17:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.55.127]) by baptiste.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0huG1o00S2khLEN01huG0T; Sun, 11 May 2014 19:54:17 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 19:54:04 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: ssuominen@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Message-ID: <20140511195404.40e5277b@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <536FB4B6.8080500@gentoo.org> References: <536CE132.1070305@gentoo.org> <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <536D183A.1020405@gentoo.org> <536D1C28.1010504@gentoo.org> <20140509203727.1d6a3e69@gentoo.org> <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> <536E2CE8.1070807@gentoo.org> <20140511161420.41fce9f7@gentoo.org> <20140511185146.36e09a2d@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <536FB4B6.8080500@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/VFEtjMTHZ0s8nk+1t++BU.x"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: f1d75294-0ef4-4ba3-b8ee-ab292cf3a43f X-Archives-Hash: 7267184db11e5a2af5631020847efbc4 --Sig_/VFEtjMTHZ0s8nk+1t++BU.x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:34:46 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: >=20 > On 11/05/14 19:51, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > >> 14) "TomWij is improving qa, didn't you notice? ;)". > >> > >> Do people really expect QA to be communicative, be motivated and > >> work? > > Of course we do, but are you sure you're tackling this problem the > > right way? I haven't looked into this, but from your quotations and > > from random comments on IRC I get the sure feeling you are perhaps > > pushing people too hard, or at the least rubbing them the wrong way. > > There is no hierarchy that puts QA above developers - you work with > > volunteers and they are all trying their best to get things fixed, > > even when this isn't immediately obvious to you or when the best > > solution doesn't immediately present itself. And when you decide to > > force issues through policies, you find that you don't actually > > have the resources to do that, unless you are prepared to drive out > > the volunteers you expected to start "fixing" things. Are matters > > of "policy" the carrot or the stick? >=20 > exactly what i'm thinking too. thanks, well put! ;) It means that you haven't looked; you can't held such expectations if you talk to the QA team with a fictional prejudgment, it might be well put but that doesn't make it reflect the truth. It are thoughts; that is, until you want to share it with QA what it is that you think about as to make it into our collective knowledge. What is it that you notice? --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/VFEtjMTHZ0s8nk+1t++BU.x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTb7k8AAoJEPWZc8roOL/QzjEIAJI9nQkCKg4CNjrrHfysfxvo TghwSEgUtMwtk3Qm6WMGVVh45hgNRPlLdlKDoQRfuV78bQmLPbZIe6mSj3swAHKX Vrqps1ov+piNam7b2yGpItmdb4oPS+VDH+I362rbK0gNiXCX2B1U+xtAkLSx9aQR vMDoUkfrQc1/TOa5LGzORwHNis+kMwlo3pmXYWySeKM6gFMaKoCTQMIyr3MLPzDi Tm6OSNcnw2HYeOoa5wWGvlSvOPqzXWIUhLBGa7D59e9x+KB+YzB5t65Mzk2arQlo Nvwdnj9H5dvtl5YTxwuwUXlckNGkiszA88ec68mRti9OZnY5rr29DEOaFsq0WEY= =3i1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/VFEtjMTHZ0s8nk+1t++BU.x--