From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8CB1381FA for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D047E0957; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baptiste.telenet-ops.be (baptiste.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.51]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F779E0953 for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.55.127]) by baptiste.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0PYH1o0032khLEN01PYHue; Sun, 11 May 2014 01:32:17 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 01:32:00 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: pacho@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Tinderbox and building everything Message-ID: <20140511013200.653b29b5@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1399749174.3147.2.camel@belkin5> References: <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <2494968.RL10ZYJ7qd@localhost> <536E2087.3050409@gentoo.org> <20140510175040.6e7c7dc2@gentoo.org> <1399749174.3147.2.camel@belkin5> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/yiz7_HwjhH4EE0xLchdrxEk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 5791cabc-aa66-4935-ba69-2f3f19ea9f60 X-Archives-Hash: 0ee36a43e7b1ab606e31c42a6df84dbb --Sig_/yiz7_HwjhH4EE0xLchdrxEk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 10 May 2014 21:12:54 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > At least from my point of view (as member or treecleaners), I would > welcome the tinderbox as would help to detect more broken packages, > some of them really old and that are not going to be fixed but, as > nobody uses them, they are broken for a long time without noticing. =46rom the previous Tinderbox run there are a considerable amount of bugs left behind that could be used; we can start there first, or instead take bugs compared to commits in general and draw up a list from that. Taking the top example from such list, recent bugs of sys-power/pm-utils are longer being fixed for newly filed bugs after 2011; as evidenced from the following URL if you scroll down to the unresolved ones. https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=3DALL%20sys-power%2Fpm-utils There are some more packages in the generated list below; as further as you go, they become less and less candidate, but at the very least they suggest which packages are still less maintained than we would like. As to how to tell whether a package is broken and not fixable; bug counts won't tell you, but manual investigation of its bugs does. That's the case as long as we don't care about Priority / Severity; talking about priorities, I think the list below is more important than to remove unused packages which effort would have a low RoI value. Tinderbox is something we should have sooner than later; but I don't see why it needs to be a hype, added today or drop important work. Not to forget about the amount of bug reports that get lost on IRC, the Gentoo Forums or doesn't even reach us; eg. http://gentwoo.elisp.net/ Fetch statistics: Open bugs: 19971 Processing statistics: Open bugs without an ATOM (=3D no slash): 4205 Open bugs with an ATOM (=3D slash, matches paths too): 15766 Filter statistics: Open bugs for a package outside the Portage tree (or mismatch, new ebuild or path): 4182 Open bugs which have a package in the Portage tree: 11584 Packages with most open bugs for the least amount of last year commits: 5.000000 sys-power/pm-utils (Bugs: 15; Commits: 3) 4.000000 net-analyzer/nagios-plugins (Bugs: 12; Commits: 3; Proxied) 3.000000 sys-process/audit (Bugs: 9; Commits: 3) 3.000000 media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-firmware (Bugs: 12; Commits: 4; Herd) 2.875000 app-portage/g-cpan (Bugs: 23; Commits: 8) 2.833333 net-p2p/rtorrent (Bugs: 17; Commits: 6; Herd) 2.666666 net-analyzer/nagios (Bugs: 8; Commits: 3; Proxied) 2.333333 net-wireless/wimax (Bugs: 7; Commits: 3; Unmaintained) 2.333333 dev-perl/PortageXS (Bugs: 7; Commits: 3; Proxied) 2.333333 dev-lang/rubinius (Bugs: 7; Commits: 3; Herd) 2.333333 dev-db/firebird (Bugs: 14; Commits: 6; Proxied) 2.333333 app-admin/sysklogd (Bugs: 7; Commits: 3; Herd) 2.000000 sci-mathematics/flint (Bugs: 6; Commits: 3) ... ... --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/yiz7_HwjhH4EE0xLchdrxEk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTbrb1AAoJEPWZc8roOL/QMhwH/jlPjBZ0PflVOA0e9DLjyw/D OIJE2QpI6k507/iqzoE623mJq2sFX0/lVju5ceDka1bQFqBLEukDDgEKFHBLpzZU e5Xil7+TVY8c5YQuQcP1siAIWrKk4nXHi6pXr0agDPSyUni8g+3CVYCpQzgt4Hh8 26d6w9bboXZXSkI5pIi5sJCSkQo2zjp7JuhX58Qcj3pK0lH8ArIZsz+3uKPAb/lb BxlYeDDAgXgkHINhmr+Nr2tD6bL6owdyQH/6486phMIrDZYjo3fYMDt8KzsUEzes 0/yPClZpEFmsR6Yi0+q9v1LhjSE4r9wFp7i9vVQfBJrABj1SWAmsz9Frmvasi7Y= =yto8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/yiz7_HwjhH4EE0xLchdrxEk--