From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2E41381FA for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 14:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9C4FE0A6E; Sat, 10 May 2014 14:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baptiste.telenet-ops.be (baptiste.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.51]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D9FE0A6C for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.55.127]) by baptiste.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0ExF1o00h2khLEN01ExFUq; Sat, 10 May 2014 16:57:16 +0200 Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 16:57:04 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: rich@thefreemanclan.net Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Message-ID: <20140510165704.2ac1c352@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <536CE132.1070305@gentoo.org> <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <536D183A.1020405@gentoo.org> <536D1C28.1010504@gentoo.org> <20140509203727.1d6a3e69@gentoo.org> <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/UpM4sC.JLmzGYmQ9uXdcXJr"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 4bc6bd3d-6fbd-4e48-ac0e-42b04f43feb6 X-Archives-Hash: 2d31e3afe4b4db40b3da5e5abff38acb --Sig_/UpM4sC.JLmzGYmQ9uXdcXJr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 10 May 2014 09:22:37 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Granted, I'm not sure what you expect anybody to do about the > tinderbox, as the only thing that requires is somebody to step up and > just do the work. >=20 > I agree with your point that a tinderbox would be useful - adding more > bug reports to bugzilla is a good thing, and some will get ignored, > but others will get fixed which otherwise wouldn't be noticed. > However, I don't really see QA as the thing standing in the way of a > tinderbox. >=20 > Honestly, I'm not a big fan of QA taking on the role of the body that > makes controversial decisions. I think they're the right place to > start with questions like these, but when there is an issue that isn't > clear-cut I think that is what the council is for. I'm not saying > that QA shouldn't ever be able to make policy - only that it should > use discretion when doing so, and that seems to be what is happening > here. +1 True. QA could be perceived as ComRel, but then for technical issues; where people need to discuss first, after which we can look at it, talk with everyone and act what is in everyone's best interest. After that discussion, the borderline on whether or not to contact QA after such discussion has to do with whether it is a ... - Portage tree issue (inconsistency, breakage, repoman, QA, ...) =3D> Consider to go first QA, then Council. - Something that affects Gentoo in another way (project issues, maintainer issues, EAPI changes, GLEP, metastructure, services, ...) =3D> Not QA's scope, though we will suggest [and have done so in the past with old EAPIs] such matters to the Council if it benefits the Portage tree and in particular some issue that is in QA's scope. This is the case for issues that are or would be controversial; of course, some non-controversial could skip a discussion, but in general we need to make sure we don't skip a discussion as otherwise we can't respect GLEP 48 asking us to act in the best interest of all developers. This is also what early experience with recent happenings suggests... --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/UpM4sC.JLmzGYmQ9uXdcXJr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTbj5AAAoJEPWZc8roOL/QXUkH/iHUaWEWR5lTa55smpVT40Nw sbbNmhoE8hYGwlkj6lwTEaSXBpswEEyA7+tkAC+rC7N5PgX/nrSm8yOukt7mXReu gx8NtFY8XRNR9Zk9ll+6cEhhZrLe96TlmeGCZHu6wjJPx1wsOtWU+0jmHBX7X5N6 b7tex14aIOPvz5WvXcs4g6Q1l43vlU2cs711BaGqMQIuzYqJq5h2cp1Ehsh3SzPZ oBPMydMBqpLMkKxwrTWX6DlO5KFqEkgxQqqchg1h+1uD9L8qurfdAS47N7HQAGuL fbSyj13wLFKFqccaFZkxeOWgRZQm7hZOtUsFGR1UmpJ03WL9SKfDCksUufiUAHI= =+SxW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/UpM4sC.JLmzGYmQ9uXdcXJr--