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Huettel" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 14:34:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.10.25-gentoo; KDE/4.12.97; x86_64; ; ) References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2005564.DrUfm6U16V"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201404061435.00789.dilfridge@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: d85544fe-2ffa-41b5-a4f8-f4ec09d6012d X-Archives-Hash: 9bc36a643a969e165c6f7cf228f2745c --nextPart2005564.DrUfm6U16V Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Donnerstag, 27. M=E4rz 2014, 14:40:47 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: > Hi everyone, >=20 > The council will be meeing on April 8, 2014 at 1900 UTC. Please bring > forward any agenda items you would like discussed. >=20 > --Tony Here are several resolution drafts which I would like to ask my council=20 colleagues to vote on. Part of the text is based on suggestions by other=20 council members. 1) The council strongly disapproves of any developers unilaterally revertin= g=20 QA team actions. While the case decision lies with QA and ComRel teams, the= =20 council welcomes the idea of immediate sanctions in such a case. An individ= ual=20 developer who disagrees with an action made in the name of QA, whether the= =20 action is proper or not, MUST follow the escalation procedures set forth in= =20 GLEP 48, and is encouraged to work with QA, ComRel or eventually the counci= l=20 to settle any concerns. The council will follow up on any accusations of QA= =20 abuse the same way as on any commit that is in conflict with a QA action. 2) The council recognizes that there are some open questions around when=20 individuals in QA ought to take action, and how internal disagreements get= =20 resolved. The council would like to ask QA to design its own operating=20 procedures and publish them. There should be a reasonably clear process so= =20 that QA members can act in the confidence that they are doing things proper= ly,=20 and the rest of the community can be assured that there is accountability. = The=20 council requests an update on the progress of establishing procedures prior= to=20 its next monthly meeting. 3) The council believes that a wide announcement and if needed discussion o= f=20 changes to central parts of Gentoo (as, e.g., system packages, profiles,=20 global use-flags) should be preferred. In particular, only informing "relev= ant=20 people" makes no sense if others will also be affected. 4) While it is any developer's choice not to participate on the gentoo-dev = and=20 gentoo-project mailing lists, they nevertheless serve as main communication= =20 channels. If something has been discussed there, and then action has been=20 taken, the council regards ignorance of the discussion not as a good=20 foundation for protests against the actions. 5) The council encourages teams maintaining central parts of Gentoo to acce= pt=20 new developers as team members and teach them the required knowledge and=20 intricacies. We consider this important to ensure long-term continuity and= =20 increase the bus factor in critical areas. Rationale: about 1) If a cop pulls you over, you don't beat him up or just drive on. Even if yo= u=20 think the traffic light was still yellow or even green. about 3) Nobody asks for consensus (which we'll never get, I'm being realistic (and = it=20 should be pink with yellow stripes)).=20 Whether discussion is needed, well if I announce something, either discussi= on=20 will follow or not. I've made announcements about the profiles already that= =20 didnt get a single reply. Either noone understood what I was writing, or no= one=20 disagreed... =2D-=20 Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer=20 dilfridge@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ --nextPart2005564.DrUfm6U16V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAABCgBmBQJTQUn0XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwNzlCRDk4QzA4RENBRkYzQUEwRjQzMDlF QkU2QTMzNkJFMTkwMzlDAAoJEOvmoza+GQOcIGEP/1SF1eVQ2cwZ/CF8C4Yml5A7 HPrI6yTHi0+zt4I6ZudqjGnzIARc6BA+7PKr8zGeBomHwRfcaLX17f3nbD7mnCV0 B448uICLgIvqFgvJQC2ar9J5epY9IJ81myvRpiHJYnL66Qg9BHNDdkgj/2lDc91T e4M1OfdKZsoeDjRlHqvaxNVyBXbGMQW5oS+mRWI5zucATBGxfNOpHl13bXDPVPBm 4Jz0ytnuoNVCazXR1z12MFlciTnv970CzMh4/pXb3NYJ3vlqb6VRxhHlxLQmxpoy IMN0w7EA9qJ17o5hF5dTsOVQMmb/EtIOChmYQGoBFkGwO3PZe+tC/zwtDAq4rhON PZZNaBwXmF48bMJKdI7EQyRvDJ5ZccNQoH+rlkiLSjM1a5+rUZIehYeUQ+ky93zE AAmZBtEJekSvycRLMLf/jK47HgaZNheU+TBHZQzEOrAC1A5gUo0PdImzsPQJQct0 RHXDTcXGOrmQfiPuH5G4TwqzBDioRyYsARD4muNjPgKrYHon8+C+APoOWb2iRtNr xhpwqmFDm+z6v/DIZPenSEjnfajjYdkD2TPF+IS0/2Z7cFyuKZj/7aMJStYD+3Bm XUDx3+W7UhIoSsq5wOydvMT85z84SePvVw8fzMjKP4pclfWYR6VmuvZsQqYFyJ/n zyzdinR7OUg1BSzWAQsR =fUM1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2005564.DrUfm6U16V--