From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5B51387FD for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8F3EE0ADE; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10B71E09DD for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot.lan (77-254-69-105.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.69.105]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D121E33FCDE; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:44:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?B?TWljaGGzIEfzcm55?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: kumba@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 Message-ID: <20140331174421.25accb17@pomiot.lan> In-Reply-To: <533949D3.9090709@gentoo.org> References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> <20140330103342.76108bfb@pomiot.lan> <5338229D.6000801@gentoo.org> <20140330174725.44191bc2@pomiot.lan> <5338A348.3010900@gentoo.org> <69FC69C3-7C44-4A9D-975C-0A3B498DAD97@gentoo.org> <20140331080746.25261b9a@pomiot.lan> <533949D3.9090709@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/n3=bBubZ5z/qvVbH/+d0Fgx"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 4fcf506b-9715-4092-98cf-872664508376 X-Archives-Hash: 6e3a18333cb6f09c70c22e1240dc992f --Sig_/n3=bBubZ5z/qvVbH/+d0Fgx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2014-03-31, o godz. 06:56:19 Joshua Kinard napisa=C5=82(a): > On 03/31/2014 02:07, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > Dnia 2014-03-30, o godz. 23:13:50 > > Richard Yao napisa=C5=82(a): > >=20 > >> Lets just stick with the JEDEC standard's way of doing things that cam= e from IBM. > >=20 > > JEDEC itself admits it have failed with the 'standard way': > >=20 > > | NOTE 2 The definitions of kilo, giga, and mega based on powers of two > > | are included only to reflect common usage. IEEE/ASTM SI 10=E2=80=9119= 97 states > > | "This practice frequently leads to confusion and is deprecated." Furt= her > > | confusion results from the popular use of a "megabyte" consisting > > | of 1 024 000 bytes to define the capacity of the familiar "1.44=E2=80= =91MB" > > | diskette. > >=20 > > http://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/dictionary/terms/mega-m-prefix= -units-semiconductor-storage-capacity >=20 > The problem is, those of us who grew up in those dark ages, who played wi= th > 5.25" and 3.5" disks....we're a lost cause. No hope to save us. It'll > always be 1,024 bytes to a kilobyte. Anything else is blasphemy. Save > yourselves! >=20 > Besides, for an outdated standard, it still gets used a lot. Last I > checked, one can really only buy RAM in sizes of powers of two. And the > computer will report that size, in powers of two. Ditto for L1/L2/L3 cac= hes > (look at the top of any kernel dmesg), etc. >=20 > In some respect, if all one cares about is free space on a disk drive or = how > fast they can stream a movie, then the KiB/MiB thing works. But if you p= lay > with bits and bytes from time-to-time (and worry about byte alignment) or > sometimes fiddle w/ partition tables in a hex editor...you're going to th= ink > in terms of powers of two. I feel like there's some misunderstanding here. I didn't really intend to make everything power-of-10. It's just about the extra 'i' in 'KiB' for unambiguity with 1000 of 'kilo'. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/n3=bBubZ5z/qvVbH/+d0Fgx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTOY1YXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOXvAQAKfF4lImVxrB6MgvcrWNfd08 iCqJT8twsGKwdm8E3UGUwdVQ6Jcz4/A77GIjFlnaFEpcB6EeXEhB/wrWcvcI0FG1 7YvXzbNIrW+QtAM23/Q7q0IKP2U1suhgP6UleGxm2dy9OAqjkL3s86+zPV2CS59g REbgBCz8CknSpCqJDADBr2QwbQtksyDIj7cLoN0EOpxjeBz5zM60xoZHo0f5itXq cmVUezrDYaA0t5an1ntjPtwR3sX/5cu1XIp6oytYapcOei63OBiJTw9lTCRO/Sbe I7Sw4bfitEMdNIQwcl0A5tf/UEPUhgu77/Ndmg9fxCKAIhYZjHcDsWZ1lk8ydPgJ kiroNMIvfsNLwaCHSRqvpqrBifAThqj7cz3NRnSOB9RndgNxNDx6ztX4jIlndxpO R+lWRL9aAHcmyHIiB4SttyWaXfe1uY0ifqGwtJeg8Mf4BJbEmuRUa1vcGtCSJbnU EQGctgYWXI1EWtqGgKikaGUHDEvfMzzT9ybswiRAGPHqOskzJtKECTJcfcoWwIb7 yrf+S1jMpdXLX7+N8Kuxa4nLhbL6UHSCd6pCj2t+S8DxQnw9+YFGtCRI03kplg/M QVX8+15AIZa1FLIHPyOn1ZYGIdIBv93FKT/jF9VLcAId3p42Jy8nFO1uqj+L0M1l NCieBIb57qO9KCPS5dcH =ghvX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/n3=bBubZ5z/qvVbH/+d0Fgx--