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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: kumba@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:44:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140331174421.25accb17@pomiot.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <533949D3.9090709@gentoo.org>

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Dnia 2014-03-31, o godz. 06:56:19
Joshua Kinard <kumba@gentoo.org> napisał(a):

> On 03/31/2014 02:07, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Dnia 2014-03-30, o godz. 23:13:50
> > Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
> > 
> >> Lets just stick with the JEDEC standard's way of doing things that came from IBM.
> > 
> > JEDEC itself admits it have failed with the 'standard way':
> > 
> > | NOTE 2 The definitions of kilo, giga, and mega based on powers of two
> > | are included only to reflect common usage. IEEE/ASTM SI 10‑1997 states
> > | "This practice frequently leads to confusion and is deprecated." Further
> > | confusion results from the popular use of a "megabyte" consisting
> > | of 1 024 000 bytes to define the capacity of the familiar "1.44‑MB"
> > | diskette.
> > 
> > http://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/dictionary/terms/mega-m-prefix-units-semiconductor-storage-capacity
> 
> The problem is, those of us who grew up in those dark ages, who played with
> 5.25" and 3.5" disks....we're a lost cause.  No hope to save us.  It'll
> always be 1,024 bytes to a kilobyte.  Anything else is blasphemy.  Save
> yourselves!
> 
> Besides, for an outdated standard, it still gets used a lot.  Last I
> checked, one can really only buy RAM in sizes of powers of two.  And the
> computer will report that size, in powers of two.  Ditto for L1/L2/L3 caches
> (look at the top of any kernel dmesg), etc.
> 
> In some respect, if all one cares about is free space on a disk drive or how
> fast they can stream a movie, then the KiB/MiB thing works.  But if you play
> with bits and bytes from time-to-time (and worry about byte alignment) or
> sometimes fiddle w/ partition tables in a hex editor...you're going to think
> in terms of powers of two.

I feel like there's some misunderstanding here. I didn't really intend
to make everything power-of-10. It's just about the extra 'i' in 'KiB'
for unambiguity with 1000 of 'kilo'.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-31 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-27 13:40 [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-29 12:50 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-29 13:26   ` hasufell
2014-03-29 13:29     ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-29 13:49       ` hasufell
2014-03-29 14:17         ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-29 13:30 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-29 14:07   ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-29 14:36     ` William Hubbs
2014-03-29 19:46       ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-29 23:12       ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-03-30  0:37         ` William Hubbs
2014-03-30  1:35           ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30  2:20             ` William Hubbs
2014-03-30  2:33               ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 11:00                 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-30 11:22                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-30 11:32                     ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-03-30 15:14                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-30 13:51                   ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 12:22             ` hasufell
2014-03-30 15:09               ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-03-31 16:00             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-03-31 23:46               ` Patrick Lauer
2014-03-30  8:33 ` Michał Górny
2014-03-30  8:43   ` Patrick Lauer
2014-03-30 11:52     ` Michał Górny
2014-03-30 14:07       ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 16:05         ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-03-30 16:27         ` Michał Górny
2014-04-01 11:46         ` Ruud Koolen
2014-03-30  9:23   ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 13:56     ` Joshua Kinard
2014-03-30 15:47       ` Michał Górny
2014-03-30 23:05         ` Joshua Kinard
2014-03-30 23:43           ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-31  3:13             ` Richard Yao
2014-03-31  6:07               ` Michał Górny
2014-03-31 10:56                 ` Joshua Kinard
2014-03-31 15:44                   ` Michał Górny [this message]
2014-03-31 17:27                     ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-31 17:56                       ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-03-31 18:12                         ` Douglas James Dunn
2014-04-01  0:20                           ` William Hubbs
2014-04-01  6:32                             ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-03-31 15:58                   ` Brian Dolbec
2014-03-31 16:19                     ` [semi-OT] " Andreas K. Huettel
2014-03-30 15:35     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-03-30 16:27       ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 16:31         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-03-30 16:39           ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 16:48             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-03-30 16:59               ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 17:01               ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 17:05                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-03-30 16:40           ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 23:44             ` Douglas James Dunn
2014-03-30 23:54               ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-30 23:59                 ` Douglas Dunn
2014-03-31  0:24                   ` Douglas Dunn
2014-03-30 23:47         ` Denis Dupeyron
2014-04-06 12:34 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-04-06 12:47   ` hasufell
2014-04-06 12:52     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-04-06 12:53       ` hasufell
2014-04-06 15:10     ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-06 15:29       ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-04-06 16:17         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 17:01           ` hasufell
2014-04-06 17:03             ` Rich Freeman
2014-04-06 17:22             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 17:48               ` hasufell
2014-04-06 18:19                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 15:08                   ` hasufell
2014-04-07 16:46                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 20:02             ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-04-06 17:02         ` Rich Freeman
2014-04-06 21:22           ` Pacho Ramos
2014-04-07 11:36             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 11:49               ` Rich Freeman
2014-04-07 12:36                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 12:44                   ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07 12:58                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 13:30                   ` Rich Freeman
2014-04-07 15:09                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 16:36                     ` Chris Reffett
2014-04-07 18:25                       ` Rich Freeman
2014-04-07 18:45                       ` hasufell
2014-04-07 20:06                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 20:01                   ` Pacho Ramos
2014-04-07 14:52                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07 15:30                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 15:31       ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-04-06 15:30         ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-06 15:44           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-04-06 16:30             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 16:19         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 16:09       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-06 21:25         ` Joshua Kinard
2014-04-06 21:33           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-04-07  8:00             ` Patrick Lauer
2014-04-07 14:51               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-04-07 15:38                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 18:42             ` Joshua Kinard
2014-04-06 17:33       ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-04-07  5:47         ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07 11:51           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07  7:49       ` Patrick Lauer
2014-04-07  8:02         ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07  8:26           ` Patrick Lauer
2014-04-07 11:54             ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07 12:48               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-04-07 14:49               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-04-07 14:58                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07 15:12                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-04-08  0:37               ` Patrick Lauer
2014-04-08  4:32                 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-04-07 14:53         ` Ciaran McCreesh

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