From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61561381F3 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 755A7E0AD4; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f43.google.com (mail-yh0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D877CE0AD3 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f43.google.com with SMTP id b12so2679783yha.2 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=YnPhm/D3+6EvnWGJLT1EpXY5RD2E2kq/Ffo5U9jFg0A=; b=OIbwhFJ/2g/WFXmNPGHDJjZKUxO2SqOr0k7S9VEPOyPbOiY/W6oV8OQUdHEoHwHSnO rPZ9JL8EViMB+Ta06lW/0iCC2bR/MmuGpuw6c7V4nQKHGZb3OtEZZabWQwFyX0535KXF XByY5e+qRN1lpC5StNjbMj1GI/6rDa3zTSV+L5GPF6t55vCsEA77EXGZvAWDBF0VAmSk lc3jm+2ucn6ym341po9zo9H4y/EX7TenHA7cPDY6oSD/+gBjY2EkX529EV/iPuENlp9Q FHYvli9nnXafAIORm2/SOtn0HzME/iYjfX5amGSnsUVbH/U2STOLrxFyIFczKuJfuwAu LQlA== X-Received: by 10.236.130.45 with SMTP id j33mr13111617yhi.22.1372705689932; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o1sm34976164yho.2.2013.07.01.12.08.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Jul 2013 12:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 01 Jul 2013 14:08:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:08:05 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for Candidates (was: Questioning/Interviewing council nominees) Message-ID: <20130701190805.GA4270@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <1372625765.17485.18.camel@big_daddy.dol-sen.ca> <20130701005911.GA1936@linux1> <51D14CC1.9080500@gentoo.org> <51D1650F.5070305@gentoo.org> <51D1A506.70801@gentoo.org> <51D1BBA8.1060004@gentoo.org> <51D1C1BE.4040902@gentoo.org> <51D1CC85.1090307@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51D1CC85.1090307@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 932830f5-9f0b-476b-b395-b15fa313d3bc X-Archives-Hash: 2cb4c8ed2de18b2baafa79ff7cb653cd --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 08:37:57PM +0200, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy= =E1=BB=85n wrote: > hasufell schrieb: > >> They can each have their own ebuild in portage. I do not think that ov= erlays > >> are the solution here. > >=20 > > That idea is so bad I hope we will never see it happen. >=20 > That's what GLEP 39 explictly allows. I have to agree on this point. glep 39 allows, and should allow competing projects. > >>> Will that make any1 > >>> reconsider his attitude about being a maintainer and realize that it > >>> means to serve the _user_? > >> > >> No, it means to scratch an itch. > >=20 > > I think we will not improve as a distro if we do not redefine our > > priorities. > > I have the feeling that our work is not user-centered anymore, but > > developer-centered and that concept is simply wrong and no sane business > > manager would ever disagree. We are a group of volunteers, not a business, so I'm not sure how much the business model can apply to us. > If you want a user-centric distro which is run by business managers, that > niche is already occupied. If Gentoo tried to achieve a linear user > experience, putting uniformity over diversity, then we'd just become a po= or > copy of Ubuntu. Would it increase our user base? Probably. Would it still= be > Gentoo? I'm not sure. By the nature of being a source based distribution, we can offer a uniform user experience without being a poor copy of any binary distribution, and that uniform user experience could be far more flexable than any binary distribution. William --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlHR040ACgkQblQW9DDEZTh92ACgpf0G2HUt6FEnJThXfGViTPt4 qe0AniNxrKJxVNFV0iuU5g2U553K9dAr =b9FH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO--