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[76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s80sm29834381yhe.27.2013.06.30.17.59.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:59:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:59:11 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for Candidates (was: Questioning/Interviewing council nominees) Message-ID: <20130701005911.GA1936@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <51BF597B.6060600@gentoo.org> <51CF1759.10903@gentoo.org> <51CF4529.7010307@gentoo.org> <51D011C1.2040606@gentoo.org> <20130630185215.GA968@linux1> <1372625765.17485.18.camel@big_daddy.dol-sen.ca> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1372625765.17485.18.camel@big_daddy.dol-sen.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 91c581a6-a3ef-4f42-9c52-3431f8babbd4 X-Archives-Hash: c21328e9b2fa55579099c6db1599176e --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 01:56:05PM -0700, Brian Dolbec wrote: > Overall, I agree with both sides >=20 > 1) What Ch=ED-Thanh said is true: >=20 > Yes, cooperation is better. But the method how to achieve cooperation is > convincing through arguments,... >=20 > 2) What Rich said is also true: >=20 > Maintaining a package is a privilege conditioned > on using that power in alignment with our philosophies, not a right. >=20 >=20 > The main problem here is finding the right balance between convincing > (first choice) and mandating (if convincing fails). Unfortunately, like > anywhere else in this world, not everyone will agree on where that > balance point should be. There will always be extremists on both ends > of the debate. It is the developers votes that will determine which end > of the spectrum the balance point will be. It is also prudent for them > to vote in someone that can see both ends of the spectrum ;) Nothing is an absolute. I'm not saying that anyone who doesn't like something a maintainer does should be able to force the maintainer to do what they want. Chithanh, please stop me and correct me if I am wrong. The way I understand what you are saying is that you believe the maintainers have absolute authority over what happens with their packages. So if I file a bug against a package requesting a change that I think would bring the package more in line with the gentoo philosophy for example and explain to the maintainer why I think that is the case and He closes my bug invalid or wontfix, you feel that I should not take my concerns to qa or the council. correct? What happens if I am actually a co-maintainer but another co-maintainer blocks my changes? imo there should be, and is, an arbitration path for this sort of thing. William --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlHQ1F8ACgkQblQW9DDEZTgMFgCfQjiZs6QHdcuUqEROpC81pMcZ 6YQAnRRXMwVHQfkLg6IEub9WygiwlWaZ =uidg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh--