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Huettel" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council nominations Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:22:56 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.6.11-gentoo; KDE/4.10.80; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130615201707.28b61d2a@caribou.gateway.2wire.net> <20130616132433.1d3f4a5d@devil> In-Reply-To: <20130616132433.1d3f4a5d@devil> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3092029.jar3RIQ0cj"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201306231923.02425.dilfridge@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 6ab92205-ef1a-4fd5-8497-a41d29eda8bb X-Archives-Hash: 859d3419714960d1fc49366074f4337d --nextPart3092029.jar3RIQ0cj Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sonntag, 16. Juni 2013, 13:24:33 schrieb Agostino Sarubbo: > I'm using the same thread, I'd like to nominate: >=20 [...] > dilfridge Thank you, I accept.=20 As for a manifesto.... 1) Let me quote GLEP 39: "If the council does a lousy job handling global=20 issues (or has no global vision), vote out the bums." Note that this talks= =20 about a "global vision"? That's actually right now what Gentoo is missing=20 most. I'm not claiming that I alone will provide it, but I am convinced tha= t=20 it's the Council's job to collectively do that.=20 1a) Consequence: the council should do more than just handing down decision= s=20 on stone tablets from the mountain. I suggest we add something else that th= e=20 council can vote on, along the lines of a "policy recommendation". Here's a= n=20 example for such a recommendation, see also below: "With respect to adding= =20 systemd unit files, maintainers should not refuse to cooperate as long as=20 someone volunteers to do the resulting work." Since this is a recommendatio= n,=20 developers are free to ignore it. However, it would make the viewpoint of Y= our=20 Elected Council clear, and the topic may be revisited if necessary at the n= ext=20 month's meeting for drafting up some stone tablets. 1b) Consequence: even if the council is a reactive body, since any develope= r=20 can bring issues before the council, I will be happy to do so whenever I se= e=20 fit, and I hope my prospective council colleagues will do the same. 1c) Consequence: in my opinion, the council has far too often "decided not = to=20 decide anything" in the past. 2) I do NOT see Gentoo's primary purpose as a "metadistribution". That's ju= st=20 a way of saying "we can't be bothered to work together". We are able to=20 provide a great distribution to our users without the additional help of=20 =46untoo, Pentoo, Sabayon, ...=20 Of course, we should continue cooperation and good working relationship wit= h=20 our "downstreams", but that's not an excuse for NOT fixing things in Gentoo= =20 itself. 3) I am not using systemd, zfs, or paludis. I'm even trying to avoid nepomu= k=20 and akonadi. Nevertheless, as you all know, Gentoo is about choice! So, as= =20 long as this does not inflict undue efforts, we should all try hard to=20 cooperate with other developers contributing to Gentoo, even if their proje= cts=20 seem a bit odd to us. Our users deserve maximum flexibility and the offer o= f=20 bleeding-edge software. (The entire discussion about adding unit files to=20 packages or about how to get rid of them in the installation if not needed = is=20 in my opinion just plain ridiculous.) Which gets me to... 4) Please remember. We're talking about a Linux distribution. This has - in= =20 terms of organization - more in common with a company than with a religion!= =20 (Which also means that if you try to burn someone at the stake you'll get=20 kicked out fast. As a consequence...) 5a) I fully support Markos' initiative to get devrel on track and more acti= ve=20 again. We *must* get away from the current abrasive culture.=20 5b) I wish we had a similar resurrection initiative for QA. Any volunteers? 6) I have recently volunteered to become part of devrel. Should I be electe= d=20 as council member, then I will let that activity rest until the end of my=20 council term. Not because I see a conflict of interests, but because I just= =20 don't have the time for both. Let me quote Rick's manifesto at the end,=20 "No one pays me to work on gentoo, I'm not a software developer (etc) by trade, I'm here on my own because I love gentoo and I want to see it improve, and I believe everyone who reads the mailing lists will agree there is a lot of room for that improvement at this time." Cheers! Andreas =2D-=20 Dr. Andreas K. Huettel Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics University of Regensburg D-93040 Regensburg Germany tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile) e-mail andreas.huettel@ur.de http://www.akhuettel.de/research/ http://www.physik.uni-r.de/forschung/huettel/ --nextPart3092029.jar3RIQ0cj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAABCgBmBQJRxy72XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwNzlCRDk4QzA4RENBRkYzQUEwRjQzMDlF QkU2QTMzNkJFMTkwMzlDAAoJEOvmoza+GQOcfiMQAIjKHx9iWFqQA4mk5zB4JGr7 FEf3zLewNRTnfXmZbQ0094G9GLR4h/1D37rs49xKtr4i2rQKP0fAiQF3AV64bHgm I7a1LEZJ00nV2uO1TiN1Z1Zs4xLzvhHuCA9hhMdzBKw429y9r1QdNnYrDuS1iAv4 EWsYw0xyjiBJaOmmfLO7h/zPnADj8mn5pHXnUY3RcqM8EhjrWsQpOgAssZN+lANH AnAJ6g+xUWkFaHJbUt4NqS0Q7aadccWF3uZqR6O86qmlkx9pim+Vbv8GDrsQDGLK lo2LOQU7Fxx4IgBU+dblszslb5gg1xBkefXmJM1SzoqMCzwg1cl2zhFPoZhdHQYW T2rcasBb8CClO4deivGKthbph6vqBPV7aHLP52oTZfFuO3T298nWxrJeMTMu5M+x UXUhf26hFBdLeDAY1HWPPOA99YM9kEcCJQPOK3IMj+Tsi/17Z79EcLfqK1bIge0n Bu0gNH/0Afg2G/wsZfkr44bISGR3+6BSGdZuSeFcTPUJ6J6Z2Pt4xWyztVPPrP/q 665nIGjefBYAxtSRz36YNY/n5FRY04C3Uj0slO6gF1kEYY5IlP/eN0jIYh2Csbda wR+LSGaU2GzPBJ8GLwjlq0w6W9ZDz3LfspXJ6+FjREyG0I0ysN+9oz6BLJ2mmjw0 I4TEhF9Vla730Vt4wl10 =cooY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3092029.jar3RIQ0cj--