From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0481381F3 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 752FBE0957; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gerard.telenet-ops.be (gerard.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.48]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD1AE0956 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by gerard.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id oMZq1l00K2khLEN0HMZq2j; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:33:50 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:31:15 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council: Policy for Systemd units Message-ID: <20130614233115.01ef2c84@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <51BB7D1B.6060506@gentoo.org> References: <1371039602.27198.24.camel@localhost> <20130612162535.570c2bc0@gentoo.org> <51BB2DDF.9010203@gentoo.org> <51BB3D0E.6010405@gentoo.org> <51BB7D1B.6060506@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/kLIC7j7lOAOQC/9ZCImMppC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: c139111d-dbe3-4da2-8075-9f939c3834e0 X-Archives-Hash: c66b384584abf091c5bb347b8b315fdd --Sig_/kLIC7j7lOAOQC/9ZCImMppC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:59:15 +0430 Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > So users and other developers can choose what they like more. I don't think they will like half of the files being in the package X and the other half being in a different package X-systemd and yet another half being stuffed in a collective package systemd-units. Oh, and not to forget about X-openrc, X-cron, X-..., ... and so on. Putting the maintenance burden on users is the worst thing we can do. > I believe QA has no authority to (functionally) change packages, > although they can p.mask whatever they consider unacceptable. Define "unacceptable", maybe they'll mask the X-whatever packages in the future because it has turned into a mess; such a mess we can't easily migrate away from, because we first have to start another 5 threads... > Besides, I do not think that it makes sense here to distinguish > between individual developers maintaining individual packages, herds > (package maintenance groups) and projects. They were probably just examples; I don't advocate the idea he explained there, but I'm against all the alternatives that are being suggested. They might make sense from a "making maintainers happy" perspective, but in practice it just damages the user experience. > This is something I fundamentally do not agree with. Gentoo is not a > team that works together. It's not like in a sports game, but we are people working together; we may not pursue the same thing, but we should pursue what is best for our users. Whatever way you go, the users will end up experiencing it. > There is no set direction (or "stream"). Then why do we have an about page documenting one? There is. > Gentoo is a collection of individuals which each work on a small part > of it, and the interference in that is kept to the necessary minimum, > mostly by Council enacted rules. I would be very unhappy if that were > to change. You can't avoid interference, it is bound to happen sooner or later; when it does, Council shouldn't be implied, but rather be the exception. I would be very unhappy if Gentoo only ran on rules and silence; these not only affect our developers, but even more also our users. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/kLIC7j7lOAOQC/9ZCImMppC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRu4umAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9CG4IAMe2qqMNMVWV36Sda8MIsflM yWfXxPvIUQ61PlUbViqybihucIfqVLdH33S8Ek3gE79ruoceh75MxDJpa0SySsBn dEACE3gOpM6zW5lGWJ3DX0H7PXcFPan9P9Gl7e7Ilc74ovMRsNYMve0kmfPzC3wY 0cTmZd8Yvn2r2iTP+A/gGCsLQzQBLXwhf7ji+8SAgfyvgUN0GW6dnoh2OBX01YLy imW9MLdoo+voDPHCEMQ8GlFW87Wvt0WCLToamGEkiO4SMus/+YLCP2HjfjiDTFVD 1GGWGpctPogUaQr3ceMTZhHvdNTAmAFnIaG1DxqmaYWSA8BEFgDL4a66zRr5Am0= =AdNZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/kLIC7j7lOAOQC/9ZCImMppC--