From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395E71381F3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C9D1E08F4; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7821DE08EF for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s10so1358999wey.7 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=gQ0C43BluQu4CxT6/jHzUG3OOWXdKixuqf1puTPAVNg=; b=nI5Auzc7PjFJqXL1LkfELccX9TpRGYipP7LZKZx06qkXnbh8+PhdRQSTy1jrwvCU3Q 4T8kvNx2NwuHKhh1sIIRQtBf8+g50zA9G5ua3X9FRAZwvlX7Vxb+uCsEIqIiqSyOVV8r WBJNUZkVy9LxGGM4WXwkDTSJZh7l7D2QskZQVkRwrxmQ15wZ63R66ALBPfaIElKbLWJu pL6mrKCFlAFFMH2i6sI/zNOp5ac/hZLmYU8TGjqtFzjHu7c4SBoZIEJW/UnqtPzQReFw Xs+ubVWn7PvQrWFzSWxpKVEneNve5kB1d4/xCLHHLqn40kw6pW3rWS60/RbjtirnS7/R UghA== X-Received: by 10.180.89.140 with SMTP id bo12mr13540050wib.22.1367429427194; Wed, 01 May 2013 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc13-broo7-2-0-cust130.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.9.16.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eu18sm23700238wid.1.2013.05.01.10.30.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 May 2013 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 18:30:21 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-05-14 Message-ID: <20130501183021.2949cd49@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <5181507F.5060602@gentoo.org> References: <517C03E8.7040406@gentoo.org> <5181325A.2030701@gentoo.org> <20130501162247.17bc7f11@googlemail.com> <20130501172802.0f9ef9ec@gentoo.org> <20130501163556.6ab95917@googlemail.com> <5181507F.5060602@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/KmfE0KQkQDkMxOMTCY1zcde"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 160d0174-f52f-4f45-bfb1-40b806f0a3e6 X-Archives-Hash: 0656d68bd80eada0c31c41014d99b2da --Sig_/KmfE0KQkQDkMxOMTCY1zcde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 01 May 2013 10:27:27 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: > > It's necessary, and the way to convince developers is to stop > > providing a nasty hack as a not-really-working alternative. >=20 > As downstream packagers, do we or can we really expect to have that > much influence of upstream developers? If the big binary distros are > willing to package these things without complaints, then how likely > is it that upstream developers will change their ways? Big binary distros already deal with this problem... --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/KmfE0KQkQDkMxOMTCY1zcde Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGBUTAACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFWNACcDdi2jV5BkfAK4JLpfjD12pfT R1cAnjJE4FsWTZBlgfWGz3DFFb0tlv27 =GQoq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/KmfE0KQkQDkMxOMTCY1zcde--