From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E1E1381F3 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6485AE0B6B; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFD1DE0B63 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (173-160-116-182-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.160.116.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dberkholz) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7C0033DC38 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:12:33 -0500 From: Donnie Berkholz To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09 Message-ID: <20130409181233.GA10952@comet.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> References: <20817.55135.354752.397336@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <201304070037.28554.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130406200511.01d4c0e9@caribou.gateway.2wire.net> <201304071409.03862.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130408232028.56cdad67@caribou.gateway.2wire.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130408232028.56cdad67@caribou.gateway.2wire.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: ee0d11bc-0bfa-4f06-bc11-18d64f591871 X-Archives-Hash: 5450daa62eb3e99d1720deda506cb9a9 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23:20 Mon 08 Apr , Ryan Hill wrote: > Hrm. I just meant that package eclasses suck. I hate the fact that they > effectively make stable moot. There is no such thing as a stable keyword= for a > package built by an eclass. It's like working without a net. When it's = a core > system package it's twice as bad. >=20 > As far as these eclasses go, toolchain is the worst. Yes, it is fragile > and complex. It's over a decade's worth of spaghetti code. It builds 12= years > of gcc releases. It's hairy. Everything depends on everything else, and > everything is based on assumptions and implications that may or may not s= till > be relevant. Making "obviously" correct changes has often broken somethi= ng > somewhere else, time and again. I'm not telling you this for some kind of > perverse bragging rights. It's not something to be proud of. I just wan= t you > to understand how easy it is to fuck things up. >=20 > When it breaks, it breaks stable. I absolutely hate breaking stable. I = lose > sleep over it. You could probably deal with this through much more aggressive bumping=20 of eclass versions in concert with ebuild bumps, followed by eclass=20 freezes once their users go stable. --=20 Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Council Member / Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux Analyst, RedMonk --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlFkWhEACgkQXVaO67S1rtvZQgCfcoWZYlUn83AXt6siwct2yFtx a8oAoJmsIzjURItIEHjadyWjKpEVWToP =pa1T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND--