From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AAF1381F3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16F1EE0D16; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gerard.telenet-ops.be (gerard.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.48]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3285DE0D14 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by gerard.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id M2Ej1l0032khLEN0H2Ej3H; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 16:14:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 16:13:52 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09 Message-ID: <20130407161352.537cc7e5@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: References: <20817.55135.354752.397336@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <201304071409.03862.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <201304071537.50458.dilfridge@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/HkN9sBxcf3z5RBP9D/s2C1y"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: b51f6c05-7c22-4232-a5e8-5026ad8a2623 X-Archives-Hash: df6e58d4ce739331def4de2ac89c1045 --Sig_/HkN9sBxcf3z5RBP9D/s2C1y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:43:29 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Andreas K. Huettel > wrote: > > We don't teach existing developers the new EAPIs, so why would we > teach new developers the old EAPIs? Markos reviewed my knowledge of the old EAPIs and expected I knew them. =20 > That's what documentation is for - the purpose of recruiting isn't to > teach documentation regurgitation. The main purpose of recruiting is > to screen out people who lack maturity/care/etc. Everybody has to start somewhere. I wasn't careful lately which has resulted in my first last rite and learning better about proper package testing; ironically, the problem here is mostly a lack of documentation. > A developer with commit access that doesn't understand EAPI2 doesn't > concern me much. It gets fun when he starts changing the ebuild, as a result he wouldn't understand how to 1) adjust it in EAPI2 or 2) port it to EAPI5. > A developer with commit access that understands all > the EAPIs perfectly and loves to do tree-wide scripted commits without > notice or formal testing every other Tuesday concerns me a great deal, > even if they haven't broken anything yet. Yeah, there appears to be no documentation and rules for that in place; this happened a few times lately, nothing bad seems to have happened. These are long time developers, which makes me more concerned... > The problem isn't ignorance, but innocence. We're all ignorant at > some level, but some at least understand this and act accordingly. It's rather about the right amount of communication and the right amount of silence, I wouldn't call either side good. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/HkN9sBxcf3z5RBP9D/s2C1y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRYX8gAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9fyoIALHRAafJ8/Gd0Xkjzyib50RQ 4Mv34EzcgESXhXzYmMuakCb5KHVXaC1nQgLSsm+JYpt0I8idiJfKHGiHIbw//ES/ gW9R73GRn87zNEaWvW0eh31nSVB4UI82CldB9a7ZTbvVV/xkqygy3clfVZ6IDUzF Ex9NBs17Cl38as/0nCuqEcwY/ZE3MC90Zst0k/j6mIbb9Vy8mscVxv1gcMCKPZNf byd5Qm4YoThRotVDgpvKUnRhBi9QrjHK05yZLNgZNzZS20oriv9L3tgSOCCZK61r ac/YA9lVt6AywLrrekkKPTsHVO9RSnZ9V7J5luw4Gp4DEVTkHoSMJAYqLtHkB8Q= =kVqB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/HkN9sBxcf3z5RBP9D/s2C1y--