From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AAB1381F3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ABD9E0CC3; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de (mo-p05-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE60E0CC2 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:36:57 +0000 (UTC) X-RZG-AUTH: :IW0NeWCpcPchHrcnS4ebzBgQnKHTmUiSF2JlOcyz+57jTVMtVX7771jWiJc= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 Received: from pinacolada.localnet (95-130-165-192.hsi.glasfaser-ostbayern.de [95.130.165.192]) by smtp.strato.de (jorabe mo21) (RZmta 31.24 AUTH) with ESMTPA id 6062dfp37DTf5w for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:36:53 +0200 (CEST) From: "Andreas K. Huettel" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:37:44 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.6.11-gentoo; KDE/4.10.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20817.55135.354752.397336@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <201304071409.03862.dilfridge@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4891020.DSlNUHFAA4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201304071537.50458.dilfridge@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: ad5259d3-93c3-4143-b3ca-846999468970 X-Archives-Hash: e012dd08cd50cf523c5cde1d8cfd25f3 --nextPart4891020.DSlNUHFAA4 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sonntag, 7. April 2013, 14:24:32 schrieb Rich Freeman: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Andreas K. Huettel = =20 wrote: >=20 > Personally I'd rather see the toolchain be EAPI0 than maintainer-needed. Oh I certainly agree with you there.=20 > > Is the toolchain being EAPI0 actually hurting anything? If it is, > then that should be motivation for those being hurt to step up and > help fix the parts that are hurting them. There are a few points (but they have all already been presented to death=20 here). Most important are in my personal opinion the longer-term implicatio= ns. 1) The bitrot corner. We're already discouraging the use of old EAPIs for new ebuilds. This=20 requirement will likely become more stringent at some point. Totally=20 independent of that, however, because of nice new features, the number of=20 newer EAPI ebuilds is growing a lot. At some point, EAPI=3D0 will become th= e=20 least-tested codepath in the package managers. 2) Recruitment. "Here, sonny, let me show you our list of EAPI versions. Make sure you=20 memorize these by heart and dont confuse them. We try to improve them every= =20 now and then, but since people insist on using the old ones anyway, well, w= e=20 have to keep them around. Have fun."=20 That problem, of course, could also be solved (and will eventually be solve= d=20 that way if needed) by telling new recruits "Unless you want to contribute = to=20 obscure stuff like toolchain, you don't have to care about the deprecated=20 EAPIs. 4 and up is fine." Bus factor anyone? =46inally, let me remark that the new EAPIs did not drop from a tree during= a=20 thunderstorm. Ideas were introduced for a reason, they were discussed here,= =20 the features were selected, and eventually the whole package was decided by= =20 the council.=20 A large-scale project like Gentoo lives from the cooperation of everyone=20 involved. This is why I tend to react harsh to declarations by fiat like=20 "Toolchain packages are EAPI 0 and we aren't changing.". Especially if they= =20 involve a team at the core of the whole distribution. =2D-=20 Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer=20 dilfridge@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ --nextPart4891020.DSlNUHFAA4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAABCgBmBQJRYXauXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwNzlCRDk4QzA4RENBRkYzQUEwRjQzMDlF QkU2QTMzNkJFMTkwMzlDAAoJEOvmoza+GQOcsmoP/21SUCw7EwzZDbd/51A5ColM rAn6NGX4YBn7o00ZdzGw6sTKTS/B6oiGXrA9uakrqjVqgwtyjenaFbOKESf510sP GyOOkeCRsSZhv48+ldofDZxgpU/N5Q6eywZWRDfnUYpXq+pmt+slOOabGqTKoSyR LlPr2YMVEviqhGXebiopttflFdYPYQsle91+IfY3/bFol9m3lDcvKGB9qGGsIKf/ ZeNrOK3c5BU8fxceSMEVdNXZVQw2EggCkzsjfAVWowsCI+XNrfLb0Lj3hF+1B9W8 KNMNJ2jLs2XNBG+p2wjL+tmYiYz1Z8hhExt8eLo4OriTIQFfpwWweitvtNkcA+ps oyjyGaEzjLmr7evQZ0krzKDHqbrCIF65sGxHKOJpsOsT+9ifTomVO6tuY2bhRJl4 f5uN2muMV8LsSCOgCB90ykxprv0BdO4ResY0m2oPRKnBo33z0jjEOHI9jr+3vpd5 +fLzXlaMVRKVpBfA3sfCtCDrTBiwtxYOMQ8ZbbmHUOLMjyYw2Z2lrlI9NR5U0t2b RxJILGJski4/CKgiHC/3eLdVYdoGSGoqNTcAq5WmT8Kn+Xi4rUqrZqDmXlVxiulo gfFlRss/hiYgdI2WEQOCGQZP9SPsoKYUGvfDRtlfK0T502SrX+t9MB7S1DR4bb8S 2EhsKbZAp9qFSekLCSTe =pp0l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4891020.DSlNUHFAA4--