From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4AC1381F3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 436F6E0C97; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 799BFE0C95 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (77-253-156-83.adsl.inetia.pl [77.253.156.83]) (using SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8303D33DC62; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:05:25 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: hwoarang@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09 Message-ID: <20130407130525.41c6caef@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <20817.55135.354752.397336@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20831.474.441795.677277@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20130406154314.0d7dc7ef@caribou.gateway.2wire.net> <201304070037.28554.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130406200511.01d4c0e9@caribou.gateway.2wire.net> <20130407082718.3e7d961f@googlemail.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/jvH26_SPTwrV1eiIhnIn8Yx"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 34cb8f57-c72b-44a3-97d9-3a48f6bc004c X-Archives-Hash: 04d30350a268cca313fa638de5a3c1d1 --Sig_/jvH26_SPTwrV1eiIhnIn8Yx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:13:10 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > On 7 April 2013 08:27, Ciaran McCreesh w= rote: > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 20:05:11 -0600 > > Ryan Hill wrote: > >> In short: > >> Toolchain packages, for better or worse, are built by eclass. We are > >> not forward-porting toolchain.eclass every time someone decides there > >> are too many EAPIs in the tree. Every change to that eclass breaks > >> something (the trick is to break things people don't care about any > >> more and hope no one notices). I don't know the ins and outs of > >> glibc's eblits but I doubt they would be simple to port either. I > >> also don't know much about toolchain-binutils.eclass, but it seems > >> like it would be doable. > > > > Sounds like a good opportunity to replace toolchain.eclass with > > something clean and understandable. >=20 > I see no reason to break something that works just fine as it is. I'm afraid this is quite short-sighted. Well, I have to believe that it works since I don't even try to get nearby those ebuilds. Those are simply impossible to understand without detailed study of all involved files, and those are huge. The problem is that we can't assume it will work forever, and we can't assume that if it stops working, there will be somebody around who knows what is going on in there. I see that the key components of Gentoo system are complex, fragile and understood only by the few people who maintain them *now*. That doesn't sound like a bright future to me. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/jvH26_SPTwrV1eiIhnIn8Yx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJRYVMAXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ1RUJGMjBGOTk2RkIzQzIyQ0M2RkNBNDBC QUJGMUQ1RkY4QzgxMTBBAAoJELq/HV/4yBEKiQ4P/2cX5VyA1zghTQYambyIXYNe YyHh/T04KHBT8flP4qu0kc1tdcP8idBy7iyyNL5Mn5Z2pqWeDYZfF+qB8qUVzvvi kB2GtTg4O7L3d5YC6ebMVzCOa7XxcEFTc9ZqA7YeDvvq+8vnbGZsuy1D9JWHwfds YP76nMY3iaLMuhtd23PGNHuVDgEtjNgmVlYEioMVkvZutZHko3VpvTbdMTyRZzM5 oBR7fNToc2xYsdsjIMQ1rUjDjInCXbv1ps9i8tjsDQh0wl8ol20tYLcNa5u9TIC2 A71o5zhB2c3SRoCjkzrS+zMx0zJ7QrRcykCed6y+n7FmJnohtUZwUitPGbMxv/nc OFiEzZEeRSBrO3Z8NRIFKVG8bb2mps/jyGb+g7XWOCTPGa37ZAheOlg269Qc854T BoS+vpvr2YrvBgeTxW+2RYe+nqVf3TzndM7xbUlZv/E+oSu/Yv9l3FZMXRKIebEs 6CGTd7iAWP+Y96Ub9xjEI95zz1yuJbVy5YQ+KSJiYgzKHjylWaKZS63gT8Ghl4cy 1qvsCsoqZGYMY4dHrw4lTpE0w886aCHV5v14SKnuYz7gZHHt/QbaHxW9yP51duel qBLZH8pQw99pTwqGbsgbDFuxM48ijeka1AAiRjrMOdvarN2eH4HJsNuA6jfS6vIT g/he+peNcBFobIpMDtEL =mUes -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jvH26_SPTwrV1eiIhnIn8Yx--