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[76.187.95.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m8sm3754646oeb.3.2012.11.11.10.43.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:43:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: William Hubbs <w.d.hubbs@gmail.com> Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:43:30 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:43:30 -0600 From: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting: Tuesday 13 November 2012, 19:00 UTC Message-ID: <20121111184330.GA7436@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20121108185348.GB3931@linux1> <20121108204629.5ae6765d@gentoo.org> <20121109051346.GA20124@linux1> <20121109083355.248ffbe3@gentoo.org> <20121109153247.GA21483@linux1> <20121109182125.GW83592@gentoo.org> <20121110014206.GA2152@linux1> <20121110090033.GX83592@gentoo.org> <20121110193748.GA9860@linux1> <20121111085136.GB83592@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121111085136.GB83592@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 8df68143-2ffa-4d08-a12a-6321568b09b6 X-Archives-Hash: 35f2d42435a6ddab96c5bd061341b198 --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 09:51:36AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 10-11-2012 13:37:48 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > > > Last but not least, I see no reason (given we have to keep the code > > > anyway) to make sysadmins, that feel unsure about this on their runni= ng > > > production systems, go into this route. You don't know what custom c= ode > > > they have installed/running. They'll be on their own (no > > > udev/GNOME/whatever support), but most likely they won't care about t= hat > > > at all. > >=20 > > No, we don't know what custom code people are running, but custom > > someone is running is not an excuse to block change. We just > > have to make change happen in an orderly fashion and make sure people > > are aware of the change so they can find ways on their end to adapt. > > Isn't that reasonable? >=20 > I look at it from the other side, why do we have to make upgrading > impossible for people that can not, or will not perform that change? If there are people running gentoo Linux who CAN NOT do this, they definitely should speak up. That's exactly why a newsitem needs to be sent out announcing this and giving a time window before we go forward with anything. There is a difference between CAN not and WILL not. If you disagree with what I'm about to say say so, but it seems to me that if someone WILL not perform a change, that is more something they should worry about, not us. William --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCf8dIACgkQblQW9DDEZTimuwCeLklhfYuRdW4lo7HBQfiagMl7 g1kAnin7fZ1HwATV540lOYaP3juY7d1p =2PKs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA--