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On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:03:48AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrot=
e:
> > That has been done already by toolchain a while back. Take a look at the
> > code in toolchain-funcs.eclass. There are very few platforms where this
> > function does anything at all these days. It would just be a matter of
> > removing linux from the platforms it supports.
>=20
> My concern isn't that the code won't do what you're expecting it to.
> I have every confidence that the files will move to exactly where you
> want them to go.
>=20
> My concern is all the downstream effects after that.  Does anything
> hard-code a path in /?  Do any config files in /etc reference those
> paths, maybe for plugins/etc?  What about linking - will we have any
> issues if core system binaries are linked to paths in /?

After separate /usr is implemented, I would throw out the patch to -dev
to disable this, then people could apply the patch and start testing;
this is when we would get all of these answers.

> >  Since applying the patch itself will not force any rebuilds, it should
> >  just end up being a natural migration; as things are rebuilt the
> >  libraries will move from /lib to /usr/lib with no harm being done.
>=20
> Except to anything that depends on those libraries being in /lib.
> Maybe that is nothing, but until you test the migration you don't
> know.
=20
 See above. You could apply the patch then see what breaks before we
 actually put it in the tree.

> Testing doesn't mean changing the eclass, installing bzip2, and noting
> that the library moves to /usr.  It means then testing anything that
> depends on bzip2 and making sure that they weren't broken as a result.
=20
The linker script would stay in /usr/lib and the library would stay in
/lib until bzip2 was rebuilt. At that point, the library itself would move
back to /usr/lib, so wouldn't that cover linking issues?

> Oh, and if everything doesn't move overnight then packages could
> migrate in almost any order, which means you have to look out for
> potential race conditions.
=20
 The only way to force everything to move overnight would be to tell
 everyone to rebuild their systems, which isn't really practical,
 because we can't make that happen.

> I would hope that the main issue is going to be linking and perhaps
> @preserved-libs would help with that if it ever becomes stable.
> However, when moving so many libraries you need to think carefully
> about testing.  How many things depend on zlib or ncurses or libcap or
> pam or libpcre?

I'm not sure how we would break linking, since the linker scripts in
/usr/lib would be replaced by the libraries only after each package is
rebuilt.

The other option could be to remove the calls to gen_usr_ldscript from
each linux-only ebuild before we disable it on linux.
That way we could see how much things break. Then, once it is out of the
linux-only ebuilds, we could disable it on linux.

I'm not sure how much that would help though since it would still hit
all of the shared ebuilds at once.

I definitely do not think that gen_usr_ldscript belongs in this council
vote; I"m not even sure it does belong in a council vote, because the
details of making this happen would be worked out on -dev.

William


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