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[76.187.95.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b20sm27242790obu.4.2012.11.08.10.25.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:25:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: William Hubbs <w.d.hubbs@gmail.com> Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 08 Nov 2012 12:25:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:25:27 -0600 From: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting: Tuesday 11 November 2012, 19:00 UTC Message-ID: <20121108182527.GA3931@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20121106212816.GE82762@gentoo.org> <20121108133053.6937c1b4@gentoo.org> <CAGfcS_=5_Yzp2gt8D3y1LGkAQ=AnudAZZNO+SbubAjYZk-iUDw@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_=5_Yzp2gt8D3y1LGkAQ=AnudAZZNO+SbubAjYZk-iUDw@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: de7abc9c-2860-439e-bca2-2979494dc655 X-Archives-Hash: 50f6883dcc719cf4e7fac14e5bdb4d6f --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 12:46:20PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Alexis Ballier <aballier@gentoo.org> wro= te: > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0100 > > Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> - approve/disapprove removal of gen_usr_ldscript > > > > I'm not sure what you meant here, but if that meant 'make it a no-op on > > systems where it makes sense', then fine by me. Otherwise, please keep > > in mind that removing it will also affect g/fbsd where this is still > > needed in order to have a sane / and /usr separation. >=20 > I haven't really seen any discussion of this so I'll chime in. >=20 > Up until now most of the discussion has been about ALLOWING > maintainers to stick boot-required files in /usr at some point in the > future. Changing things like gen_usr_ldscript would actually > represent an active push towards moving these files into /usr. I > think that is a big distinction, and it would cause our Linux vs BSD > approaches to diverge unless we forced BSD to follow along. =20 There's no reason to make *bsd do anything. gen_usr_ldscript is already smart enough to not do anything in some environments; I'm just proposing adding linux to that list. > I think there is a difference between allowing a few Linux-only > packages to move to /usr to follow upstream and moving towards a full > scale /usr migration on Linux for all packages, even if their > upstreams don't use /usr. =20 I'm not talking about migrating *anything* at this point, just how to implement separate /usr support on linux, without affecting what the alternate platforms are doing. > I think the more conservative approach is to take things one step at a > time - after some period of time allow things to move to /usr, but > leave it up to maintainer discretion, since they're the ones getting > bugs from linux, BSD, etc. Please let's keep this thread on topic. Migrating packages is another separate discussion. Thanks, William --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCb+RcACgkQblQW9DDEZTh1iwCgriu5oQej70gLZI6dGyIg0JVC X2MAmwUxY3w9x+lJvp5Tqzrc6ZmhKAto =EV4a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp--