From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F19138010 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7D8021C039 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com (mail-pb0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C591121C249 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcwz12 with SMTP id wz12so5616844pbc.40 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:12:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=PY3Z/EmTUN7LZMokG59miudaNieE2wqiAc/Ppl14TU4=; b=h13Y7OaSmzXz4nL1ZgCkBScEAPfqupB9FdbJgmiUkdu2wk2wmV/4HhXFKH3Gr8mtPL ZyqHKlY028fXq57YHzyoPmoDre221O+vUc0zzpQPCIGG0FvHWPbbZsmRsg2+yGqvnaG/ PyZk257f9loG2Si30OpE22c0dof0Hvf2lomkfqR5O20HJUmIUFmqp94CAbD8VQnj6UGa zQohcWVp8e8R/ST95gei4k7KUoIq6LIu0TCuPP+cISrirD5BkqzQ8Ll95AfjaE6pq2ZT A+ka2iVlE3wHMUo7ortabNdLDMUJ65QIsxpfLrC5mYU4BGwWdj/zdnP3+txosQh5boCk In3Q== Received: by 10.66.88.1 with SMTP id bc1mr16990250pab.18.1348834339079; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com:587 (74-95-192-101-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.95.192.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kj10sm5498245pbc.72.2012.09.28.05.12.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com:587 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:12:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:12:15 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 09-10-2012 Message-ID: <20120928121215.GC9751@localhost> References: <20120925092414.GL37574@gentoo.org> <20577.32914.7474.976710@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20579.61409.451891.521881@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120927221336.GB9751@localhost> <20580.60366.622706.627627@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20580.60366.622706.627627@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: a4d34588-67f9-4809-a274-c4bb4d80ff48 X-Archives-Hash: 52990e6559e07713526d8e3a6d58f87c On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 02:14:06AM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, Brian Harring wrote: > > tl;dr > > > Shorter version; you very clearly left out option C; "leave it as is > > since PMS is filled with warts, this isn't hurting anything, and > > changing it will break things." > > Problems aren't solved by ignoring them. ;-) True. They also multiply if in trying to solve them, you ignore the issues of the problem. :P > The point is that currently PMS and Portage behaviour disagree. > I think this is not acceptable, otherwise we could as well give up on > the PMS and take the Portage implementation as the reference. Yeah, I'm being a bit cracky in biting your head off on this one if this is specifically all you're trying to address; discussions I've been seeing for this one were to drop the disallowance of -\d$, which... per my statements, are borkage inducing; combine that with the fact theres been a lot of "lets just ignore borkage" proposals lately, and I'm being fairly aggressive/noisy about stopping that. First thought, that rule was added because portage was buggy internally... none of us actually needed it except portage. Portage internals now no longer have the underlying flaw that led to it, but instead they've gone and cocked it up so the rules are tighter than what PMS requires; honestly, I'd be inclined to make portage clean up their own mess rather than keep changing the spec for stuff like this- largely out of spite/annoyance. Not exactly great for users however. Unfortunately, this has been in since at lease cec3c5 (02/10) for diffball-1a. Plus the world isn't that nice I suspect Currently, the only way such a package would get in is via pkgcore or paludis... ie... a PMS compliant manager. Sucks, but if we're going to do anything, we have to tighten the spec, which will be annoying for parse speeds (version rules aren't the simplest to apply). I truly hate having to do that also. Either way, this angle, have at it, just thought this was another "lets drop -\d$ disallowance" proposal, thus the hefty "ah man, not this shit again" email. ~harring