From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QsYqu-0002xG-TM for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:27:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5262A21C1AB; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amun.cheops.ods.org (amun.cheops.ods.org [83.161.135.166]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B15721C1A9 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nut.cheops.ods.org ([2001:980:57a5:1:ca2a:14ff:fe35:7a00] helo=gentoo.org) by amun.cheops.ods.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QsYqa-0007Jy-FV for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:27:17 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:27:15 +0200 From: Fabian Groffen To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? Message-ID: <20110814112715.GG460@gentoo.org> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <4E47ADA0.2060906@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E47ADA0.2060906@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (Darwin 11.0.0, VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3) Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc. X-Content-Scanned: by amun.cheops.ods.org (Exim Exiscan) using SpamAssassin and ClamAV X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 4a5f280ac961bd172157704c56bfbfbf On 14-08-2011 12:12:32 +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: > Quite a few of you know that Council acts as a court in case a developer > has unresolved disputes with Devrel or when he is not happy with a > Devrel's decision. The problem is that having the same people in the > Council and in Devrel makes no sense since the same people will vote > twice on that matter. A developer who wants to appeal to Council, seeks > a review of his case and a fresh voting from new people. However, having > devrel members, which are already biased based on the previous decision, > makes the "Council's court role" a moot role :) In a way, yes you're right. However, escalations to Council should be rare. Council members were elected by dev community, so apparently people didn't bother about them being to do so. I think it would be elegant when DevRel members in the Council would abstain from a vote, but if that makes a small remaining group of voters... Perhaps it would be better when DevRel members in the Council would be replaced by (their) proxies for such vote? Or should random people picked from the dev community and asked if they want to cast a vote? Perhaps the Council should be released from this task at all, and instead should be given the job to assemble a jury out of the dev community (with non-involvement in DevRel) that is to examine the case, and make a final verdict that the Council will accept/act upon. Just brainstorming along with you. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level