Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years

[Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org>]

On 06-08-2011 11:00:16 +0100, Markos Chandras wrote:
> Oh come on Jorge. You know what I mean by slacking arches. I am not
> talking about punishing them. Maybe drop stable keywords or drop keyword
> from X package and shrink their tree so they can keep up with the load.
> 
> > This should be the arch more developers use daily and is likely the
> > one with more members (herd count). Also, one should remember the
> > time it takes to compile, test or debug an issue in a recent amd64
> > system or an old / slow box with an "exotic arch" varies 
> > substantially. Not to mention that the amount of testing done on
> > "exotic arches" varies substantially between projects.
> I am aware of the problems and this is way I want a solution.

And what solution do you have in mind (in your Council role)?

> > In the last council, I've took the job of promoting some email
> > threads between arch teams, the council, trustees and infra to see
> > what we could do about it. Some of the issues were then opened on the
> > project ml. You are correct that there wasn't a "quick", "final" or
> > even "conclusive" decision, but I'll argue that we needed more debate
> > - including more interest and participation from the community. I do
> > think we had a good discussion.
> Yes, we discussed what was needed etc but I don't really think that
> anything changed since them. If not, then I apologize

What would you have seen changed that the Council can influence upon?

> > If the argument in the end boils down to how many arches Gentoo
> > supports and about leaving support for some arches or killing it so
> > that maintainers aren't "bogged down" by arches, I'll support arches
> > over maintainers.
> > 
> I never said to completely drop these arches. When did I say that? I
> just want a more realistic approach on how well an arch is supported.
> Why you people are afraid to admit that we have problems? Having an arch
> with constantly >200 stabilization bugs open clearly proves that the
> manpower cannot handle the situation.

How do you suggest the Council to solve this issue and, as you indicated
before, right now?


-- 
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level