From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QpKhV-0008MY-B4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:44:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2679821C0D1; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hera.cwi.nl (hera.cwi.nl [192.16.191.8]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B5E21C088 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org (volund.ins.cwi.nl [192.16.196.166]) by hera.cwi.nl with ESMTP id p75DiCnF010941 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:44:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:44:12 +0200 From: Fabian Groffen To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years Message-ID: <20110805134412.GC17729@gentoo.org> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <1312307887.2901.2@NeddySeagoon> <4E38B4D9.7020603@gentoo.org> <1312404150.2882.2@NeddySeagoon> <20110804200630.GE4840@comet.ucsd.edu> <1312496361.2864.0@NeddySeagoon> <4E3BC710.6090402@gentoo.org> <20110805104952.GK81662@gentoo.org> <4E3BCD6E.8030101@gentoo.org> <4E3BED69.6060003@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3BED69.6060003@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (Darwin 9.8.0, VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3) Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc. X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 19788cb65e082740af29b83679428aef On 05-08-2011 14:17:29 +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: > I am still not convinced that a committee of 7 people is flexible enough > to push radical changes. Perhaps I misunderstand you here, but I don't think making radical changes is good, that's what 7 people balance out. Radical changes have been made to important parts of Gentoo like e.g. Python, and this didn't really result in a major improvement, IMO. > Maybe they are but they need to spend enough > time talking about things before meetings. Does everyone has the time to > spend so many hours on mailing lists? See how many discussions end up to > /dev/null or just forgotten after a while. Being a council member means you have to deal with it. I don't think you get the red button for free, you're supposed to do some good homework for it. When discussions die, probably this is because noone could come up with a clear enough problem, and directed discussion to come to some conclusions. Controversial topics of course always have proponents and opponents, but just deciding to go left or right doesn't necessarily help to improve the situation. It just makes some happy and others angry. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level