From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JyMYJ-0003rJ-2l for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:46:31 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41EB8E0603; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dev.gentooexperimental.org (dev.gentooexperimental.org [81.93.240.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B60E0603 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from adsl-187-74.dsl.init7.net (adsl-187-74.dsl.init7.net [82.197.187.74]) by dev.gentooexperimental.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561522FC3A0 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 09:46:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Patrick Lauer To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] (fwd) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:55:08 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20080519195024.3510ba2b@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20080519195024.3510ba2b@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805191955.08965.bugs@dev.gentooexperimental.org> X-Archives-Salt: ed9f3ec7-537b-4d55-84d6-90a3f7af39be X-Archives-Hash: 8e35476093b888e11ebfd91c734f5282 On Monday 19 May 2008 18:50:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:14 +0100 > > Steve Long wrote: > > No one here is arguing that we have a slacking Council, similar to > > the "bad old days", are they? > > A Council that conveniently fails to turn up when discussing things > that either don't interest them or that might make them look bad? Looks like one person had an unexpectedly long travel, one person had connection issues and one person was never notified over a reliable channel. So that looks to me like Mr. Murphy showing what he can do ... Shit happens, now let's make manure out of it so the plants can grow better next season. I'd say that (1) the meeting was not agreed on nor announced on the regular channels (2) a re-election would only confuse things and re-elect the same people (3) the people involved have shown that they try their best to improve things. Trying to kick them at the first sign of human error would not send a good signal My suggestion thus would be, if people insist, to have a vote of no confidence. If people really can't live with this small oops then so be it, otherwise it'll show that while there has been an oops it's not the end of the world. > A > Council holding secret meetings and conspiring with the devrel lead > behind the rest of devrel's backs? A Council that simultaneously says > "yes, we were behind musikc's actions" and "no, it was solely musikc's > decision"? That's a lot like the old days. A person not working on gentoo writing 35%+ of all emails on some mailinglists? Random insults and starting pointless flamewars? Looks like the old day. I'm still waiting for the day when you leave University and don't have that much time to troll others. Anyways, this is a debianistic discussion, only discussing things so that things will be discussed. I hope people don't waste too much time on politics and focus on improving things instead of dissing others and stroking their p... ego. -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list